9/11 Physics: "You Can't Use Common Sense"

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    if you cant keep up with the conversation go to school and come back when you can, it is perfectly clear what I am talking about.
     
  2. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is still not English, and your inability or unwillingness to communicate clearly is not my fault
     
  3. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    Your analogy is idiotic.

    Treasure Island is in the public domain.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/120/120-h/120-h.htm

    If you search for "Arr" and match for case you will find "Mr. Arrow".

    But what was the total number of pirates. The word "pirates" is used a total of 17 times in the entire book. "Pirate" occurs THREE times.

    I copied the story into a text editor that will report the number of changes in an auto-replace. So I just change "pirates" to "pi-rates" and it will count the number. I don't know how you did it. You seem to be very good at inadequate work.

    If none of those mentions the total number of pirates that information may not be in the book. A detail irrelevant to the story? I am not going to read the area around each mention but that is what I did for the more than 3,000 mentions of concrete in the NCSTAR1 report. That is still a lot less than 10,000 pages since there were usually multiple uses of concrete on the pages with the word.

    There were no occurrences of "Arr" by the way.

    Got any more idiotic analogies?

    If you claim the total for the concrete is there than why don't you just tell us.

    psik
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    yeh and your whining is about as childish as if I were to claim your statement was not english because you did not place a period at the end.

    boo hoo waa waa
     
  5. cjm2003ca

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    does the 425.000 cubic yards count the footings too? thats were the strength is not in the floor pans..and the parking garage underneath..thats real concrete not light weight
     
  6. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who knows. Psi is quoting some magazine article from a hundred years ago rather than the number provided by the engineering report. Why he thinks we need to figure out exactly why there's a difference eludes me.
     
  7. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    dont forget the core on wtc 1 went first LOL
     
  8. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet the point of the analogy remains undisputed. You can't search Treasure Island and learn what the book is about. You have to read it.

    How about you actually answer the engineering questions rather than dissect the analogy? I'll ask it again for you in case you forgot.

    Given two columns of different length made from the same material, and possessing the exact same area moment of inertia, which column is stronger, and which column is heavier? I gave you the formula.

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    Someone who knows the answer to this question knows that the key to a building's ability to hold itself up is it's strength, not it's weight. Given this relationship between area moment of inertia and length, why do you think the WTC used box columns?

    The final nail in the conservation of momentum coffin can be hammered home if one knows the answer to this question: "How does energy move through elastic solids?"
     
  9. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    what energy, electricity?
    just connect a wire and battery

    so you think that he thinks weight gives it strength?

    I did not get that from what he said, how did you?

    seems you are still having comprehension difficulties
     
  10. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    The sources say 200,000 tons of steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete. There are no further details. That is why I have been saying we need to know the tons of steel and tons of concrete on each and every level. But the NIST does not even specify the total for the concrete though their total for the steel agrees with pre-9/11 sources.

    My point is that we do not have adequate data from official sources.

    There were 2800 perimeter wall panels from the 9th floor to the top. We should have the weights and quantity of each different type but we do not have that either.

    psik
     
  11. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    So says someone who can't do a search and get the right number of words but can copy and paste equations. Gotta change the subject again after you brought it up.

    ROFLMAO

    psik
     
  12. cjm2003ca

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    those outside wall panels are pre fab and will only stop sheer..which is side to side sway...if you read the plans all this info is there..
    types of mixes required and psi that must be met..for the concrete
     
  13. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    given the elastic/plastic properties of steel anyone who knows the answer to this

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    knows that fangs argument is seriously wanting.


    not to mention of course that the core went first LMAO
     
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    No. Video clearly shows the columns bowed inward well before the core columns failed.
     
  15. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Awe, look. Koko thinks that electricity has something to do with the answer. Nice try.
     
  16. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your search was from a different printing, which kinda underscores my point that you have to READ the book to understand the CONTENT of the book. But if you think finding a different number of instances of the word pirate in a book that has nothing to do with 9/11 is a win, then go ahead and take a victory lap. But then again, you expressed concern with changing the subject, and that wasn't the subject of the thread at all, was it? I asked you the on topic questions multiple times with no response. I think my questions to you are much more on topic than how many times a word appears in a text. So who's the one frantically trying to change the subject?
     
  17. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    You said energy.
    Do you dispute that energy is not electrical?
    The formula is not an electrical one.
    So you did not take that into consideration?
    As usual your analysis is severely wanting.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  19. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I sure did. I was talking about a specific type of energy, which I referenced within the question. Specifically the question centered around Newton's cradle. How much electricity does it take to run one of those do you imagine?

    Energy comes in many forms. It's not my fault you picked the wrong form to discuss.

    Oh? If I was the type of guy to use emoticons, this is where I would use one.

    And as usual yours is barren of any lucid argument. The post reminds me of this guy:

    [video=youtube;TexL-eyZHzo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexL-eyZHzo[/video]

    He wants to be a teacher too.
     
  20. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    Then why does the NIST report say that the perimeter supported 47% of the gravity load?

    psik
     
  21. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    ROFLMAO

    Who was it that brought up Treasure Island? Not me!

    Now you have to come up with excuses about printing.

    :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

    But you still haven't supplied the data on the concrete from the NIST like it is possible to read what ain't there. Prove it is there. Tell us how much and where it is.

    psik
     
  22. cjm2003ca

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    thats the structural steel columns thats supports the weight..
    e
     
  23. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]

    nice dodge thanks for the laugh
    both of them

    thats ok like nist you dont want to hear anything that punches holes in your "story"
     
  24. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    So how are the columns separate from the panels?

    knuckles-above-deck.jpg

    psik
     
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    How is Sheetrock separate from walls?
     

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