9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, but we (those willing to face the brutal truth) already know what happened to most, if not all, of the concrete, including the core you describe. It was calcined, and became the pyroclastic cloud recorded on video that covered so much of lower Manhattan. It was turned to dust.

    Burning office furnishings and jetfuel cannot reach the temperature necessary to calcine concrete, but nuclear fission can.
     
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    c'mon E ... not a shred of evidence of any nuclear event ... why do you cling to this nonsense? ...
     
  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That you are unable to perceive it does not mean the evidence does not exist.

    There is ample evidence, but those afraid to confront the truth however bitter are unable to perceive it. Cognitive dissonance in play.
     
  4. Gamolon

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    Your quotes regarding Richard Gage are below. You think he's a "man who loves his country", "uses his skills to seek the truth", and you "admire him".
    Below is a link to the AE911truth article about why they and Richard Gage don't endorse the nuclear theory using evidence and knowledge.
    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...on-why-does-ae911truth-not-endorse-this-claim

    So Eleuthera, do you still "admire" Richard Gage and his group or do you now think he and his group are "afraid to confront the truth" and do you think they're suffering from "cognitive dissonance"? You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth at this point.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Pyroclastic clouds? How ridiculous! Explain how paper and people survived these supposed high temperature, pyroclastic clouds.
     
  6. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Chris' concrete core theory has been completely debunked. He has been shown that what he believes existed, down to the dimensions, is a physical impossibility.
     
  7. Bob0627

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    It wasn't a volcanic eruption so you can quit your usual phony denial nonsense. However, there were many similarities that are very recognizable from photos and videos. Nothing that resembles a gravitational collapse though. Nearly everything pulverized down to the micro level in most cases, including bone fragments found on the roof of adjacent buildings. A gravitational collapse would cause crushing, not pulverization. As stated, I'm not going to ascribe to any nuclear theory but I'm also not going to dismiss it. EVERYTHING must be investigated, nothing can or should be dismissed without investigation.

    "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." - Albert Einstein

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  8. Gamolon

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    Bobby,

    You really need to learn to read and understand context before making your posts based on "mind reading" others. Let's read Eleuthera's post together shall we? Pay particular attention to the parts in red.
    So she mentioned that the concrete was "calcined" and that the "temperature necessary to calcine concrete" can only be reached by fission. So in essence, the HOT, PULVERIZED, CALCINED concrete dust created a PYROCLASTIC cloud which rolled out over the city due to a nuclear blast.

    If that's the case, then explain why there was paper lying around in the streets and how people survived after being engulfed by this supposed HOT, PULVERIZED, CALCINED CONCRETE, pyroclastic dust cloud created by a nuclear detonation?
     
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  9. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Based on what information/data Bobby? Let me guess. Common sense? What other collapses are you comparing this to? Do controlled demolitions create "everything pulverized down to the micro level" characteristics? If so, is it due to the charges or due to the gravitational collapse AFTER the charges go off?
     
  10. Gamolon

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    Why not Bobby?

    What is it about the nuclear theory that you don't dismiss is like you do the "OCT"? What's the difference between the "OCT" and the nuclear theory?
     
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  12. Gamolon

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    Oh really?

    Then why are you dismissing the "OCT" Bobby? You keep whining about how it hasn't been properly investigated. I'm waiting to see what your reasons are for dismissing the "OCT" and then applying those reasons to, for example, the nuclear theory and why you won't dismiss it.
     
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  13. Gamolon

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    Just one example of how Chris' evidence is garbage.

    Here is a drawing that Chris did of his supposed concrete core. This represents it's base. Yes, you're reading it right. The short axis walls are 17' thick and the long axis walls are 12' thick. Notice the inside dimension of the core. 80' x 120'. The steel core column dimensions are 135' x 87'. That means the core columns were EMBEDDED in his supposed concrete core not surrounding it. Also, he claims that the core tapered to 2' thick walls at the very top with the inside walls staying straight/plum all the way up. It was the outer concrete walls that supposedly tapered inward.
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    So Chris can't even get his own story straight when he says that the exterior columns were outside the core. This is what happens when you tell more lies to try and cover previous lies.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You have NO idea...

    :)
     
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    Hmm, okay, HOW it happened will be conceivable. It currently cannot be. Placement and distribution cannot be accounted for.

    There was an early study done by a Frank Greening who was a high level operator at a nuclear power plant for 25 years. My friend and associate Dr. Ron Larsen, Ph.D (physics)(and provided the pic by tabbi that gam snivels about, 'cause its the new tower. Lawsen investigated the pic and called me up telling me not to use it after looking into my objections to it, but I forgot and did use it a few years later. Gone now) looked closely at Greenings work to detect radiation from nuclear events and there was none found anywhere.

    Dr. Larsen asked specifically about cobalt 60 residue in the steel surfaces that had to have been close. Apparently steel sucks cobalt 60 up with the slightest exposure because of its density. None found in appropriate samples.

    Standard HE and thermite can explain events well, but placement and distribution must be very well facilitated to get the total reductions that were seen.

    The info provided to the attorneys, which by law must be given to the GJ, if presented to them, provides a basis for understanding placement and distribution feasibly.

    Feasibility is too important to ignore.
     
  16. Eleuthera

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    As you have suggested here, and by way of your pro se motion, the original plans for the towers are nowhere to be found. At the very least, you suggest some degree of fraud as to the plans versus the actual construction, especially as to the concrete core you discuss. You are not the only person to suggest that. I've read of others who advance that claim, though I do not remember their names. It's been awhile.

    If it's true that there was some sort of deception as to how the towers were ACTUALLY built, then what the Russian Dimitri Khalezov proposes is likely true. The towers were prepared for their eventual destruction WHEN THEY WERE BUILT.
     
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    Let’s not I’m not interested enough and I already made my point.

    Not to mention EVIDENCE.

    Actually the demolition of the 3 towers on 9/11 and especially the twin towers was very unique to say the least, one can say as close to perfect as possible. There were many anomalies that require meticulate investigation. This wasn’t a naturally induced gravitational collapse so you can’t compare that to a demolition obviously.

    Go back and read for comprehension, already explained.

    Everything. The OCT is a US government scam that has deadly consequences. The nuclear theory is not a government theory and is therefore absolutely harmless, zero consequences. There is no comparison, I’ve already explained that many times so even a child can understand the difference.
     
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    Hey Bob, **** the pyroclastic clouds, you wanna see a jaw dropper take a 'very' close look at what the columns are doing but save yourself the frustration and dont post it here. This is way beyond anything the octers can imagine much less discuss, which is why I dont. Thanks, that pic is priceless for posterity, I saved it.
     
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    You mean the columns are not collapsing? Jeeez who would have thought that?
     
  20. Gamolon

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    You sure did make your point! The point being you tried to read my mind instead reading for comprehension. Eleuthera made the claims that a nuclear explosion happened and that it created a pyroclastic cloud consisting of high temperature, calcined, concrete dust. Nothing to do with volcanoes at this point and strictly based off of what Eleuthera said. So how did all the paper and people engulfed in this high temperature, nuclear, pyroclastic cloud survive and not end up burned to a crisp?

    You completely missed what was being asked Bobby. I'll make it simple so that a child can understand.

    I want to know why you dismiss the "OCT" as being a fabrication yet don't dismiss the nuclear theory or controlled demolition theory. What differs between the "OCT" theory and nuclear theory that you readily dismiss the "OCT' theory as fabricated lies, yet won't dismiss the nuclear theory and even think it should be investigated.

    Understand now?
     
  21. Bob0627

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    Yes that's what I said.

    It is a fabrication but I've never dismissed it. Every thread I created in this section of the forum, including this one and nearly every post addresses it.

    See next response with respect to the nuclear theory. The controlled demolition theory however cannot be dismissed for the same reason and that it is the heart of this particular thread topic, a central allegation incorporated into both the petition for a grand jury investigation and the lawsuit vs the FBI and DOJ.

    Was there something you didn't understand about the last response in post #267? If so, try this if it will help:

    https://www.dictionary.com/

    That's what I did but you still didn't understand apparently.

    Now if you actually want to stick to the topic of this thread, I'll be more than glad to oblige you. There are other threads where the nuclear issue is more appropriate, thanks.
     
  22. Gamolon

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    Sorry Bobby, but I am on topic. the topic of this thread is 9/11 - The Legal Initiative wherein is discussed the grand jury petition linked below.
    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/lc-doj-grand-jury-petition/

    That petition puts forth evidence of controlled demolition in the form of thermite/thermate/explosives. There is no mention of nuclear devices anywhere, yet people believe beyond a shadow of a doubt there were nukes used and have provided evidence that they think support this. Bottom line is the whole legal initiative could be based on fabrication/lies if the nuclear theory proves to be true. In fact, Richard Gage and AE9/11 have written about WHY the nuclear theory is not true. The DEW weapon theory would prove, if true, the thermite/thermate/explosives and the nuclear theory as fabricated lies.

    I'm seeing a pattern here that shows you get your panties in a bunch when someone challenges your posts directly. You start calling "off topic fouls". Just like you did with me and the nuclear theory discussion. Yet Eleuthera gets a pass for discussing the nuclear theory. I wonder why that is? Is it because Eleuthera strokes your ego every once in awhile by liking your posts and agreeing with you?

    As I've said all along. Truthers consider the enemies of their enemy (always the government in this case) as their friends no matter what they believe. They could believe complete idiocy as long as it goes against what the government thinks. It isn't about the truth for truthers. You just have to follow two simple rules:

    1. You denounce anything that the government puts forth
    2. You don't directly challenge other truthers and what they believe

    The examples live throughout this forum.
     
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    Correct, an amazingly astute observation on your part.

    Also correct, I'm proud of you man, so far so good.

    The rest unfortunately is off topic. That's about a grade of 50%, not real good. Try again if you must though.

    I will address one point though and it's strictly my opinion, I speak for no one else. It is based on truth however, that nasty word you hate so much.

    Unfortunately, there is no government. The founders described the purpose of government and what should be done when a government does not serve its purpose (see my signature). The reason there is a petition for a grand jury investigation and a lawsuit demanding that the FBI and the DOJ inform Congress is exactly because this pretend government fails to perform its function as mandated by the Constitution and as established by our founding document. In this case, to investigate an egregious violation of individual rights which includes a massive terrorist attack on The People that this government exists to serve and protect. Worse, this pretend government is doing everything in its power to coverup the facts about this terrorist attack and by doing that, is fully complicit in the 9/11 crime. And even worse, it wages endless war and commits genocide and war crimes under pretext of a LIE. So yes, when this pretend government fails to perform its function, it must be denounced AND changed according to our founding document. And I personally denounce everything this government does unless and until it performs its mandated function. And I have little or no hope that it ever will unless and until it is changed.
     
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    Oh yeah? Well take this!

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    So there!

    Sorry, what was this thread about again?
     
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    Come now. Posting stunning photos of geological events has got to be an improvement of some sort....
     

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