9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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  1. l4zarus

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    I don't think it's meant to. IMO its just twoofer movement CPR, to keep the fraud going for as long as possible. The thing that get's me is it can't be profitable anymore so why bother?
     
  2. Bob0627

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    The good news is that it doesn't matter what you think they're using. What matters is the evidence outlined in the exhibits and much more. I thought I already explained that:

    Yep thought so. No one on the grand jury panel is going to ask your opinion, trust me on this.

    I'm sure you're praying it doesn't. I don't blame you, if I had your mentality I'd be terrified too.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Quack, quack.
     
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    any updates? ...
     
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    wow are you impatient, didnt see you foaming at the mouth when it took NIST 7 years to cook up their bullshit story about wtc 7
     
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    well for one, you and I were not on the same timeline during the run up to the NIST report ... how do you know if I was or was not impatient? ... for two, unless the grand jury is running teams of investigators from the state attorney's office looking for new info, then enough time has elapsed to make their case ... but I'll throw you a bone and admit that FOIA requests possibly are still being processed ...

    I can't wait for this whole grand jury thing to take off ... i hope the troofers blow it all open and make me look like a paid disinfo agent ... after all, I knew those paint chips were really magical thermitic material ...
     
  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Apparently you don't know that a grand jury investigation can typically take up to 18 months or longer to reach a decision. In this case the amount of information about what happened to the 3 WTC towers is enormous and likely requires an appropriate length of time to investigate and digest.

    Then your impatience has already been satisfied, it "took off" the moment the US Attorney complied with the petition. The problem is that these deliberations are not public and no one other than those involved knows where they stand.
     
  8. l4zarus

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    Who exactly do you think these people are?
     
  9. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    All those in power and their minions who have benefited from and have a vested interest in keeping the official fairy tale the official party line. 9/11 was the gift that keeps on giving for these criminals.
     
  10. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Good news, you've been impatiently waiting for an update, me too.

    Lawyers' Committee 'Names Names' in New 9/11 Grand Jury Filing

    Today, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry — with whom AE911Truth has partnered in our ongoing Grand Jury Investigation Project — announced the filing of a “petition supplement” naming persons who may have information material to the federal grand jury investigation of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition on September 11, 2001.

    The 33-page document contains 15 different categories of persons who may have information material to the investigation, including contractors and security companies that had access to the WTC Towers before 9/11, persons and entities who benefited financially from the WTC demolitions, and persons arrested after being observed celebrating the WTC attacks.

    A names-redacted version of the petition supplement, which was filed with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York on February 14, 2019, has been made available to the public. The un-redacted version filed with the U.S. Attorney today will remain undisclosed in the interest of maintaining the secrecy, security, and integrity of the grand jury proceeding.

    In the Lawyers’ cover letter to the U.S. Attorney, the group indicated that it will consider filing a mandamus action to compel the U.S. Attorney to perform its duty to present the group’s 2018 petition to a federal grand jury if the U.S. Attorney does not respond to earlier inquiries regarding the status of the grand jury proceeding.

    AE911Truth is pleased to share the press release issued by the Lawyers’ Committee earlier today along with the Lawyers’ cover letter to the U.S. Attorney and the names-redacted petition supplement. Our sincere thanks go out to the nearly 2,000 dedicated activists who have contributed since the launch of the Grand Jury Investigation Project and helped make this action possible.

    LAWYERS GROUP FILES PETITION SUPPLEMENT WITH U.S. ATTORNEY ON PERSONS WHO MAY HAVE INFORMATION MATERIAL TO 9/11 GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION

    U.S. ATTORNEY INFORMED OF POTENTIAL FOR MANDAMUS LITIGATION.


    March 12, 2019

    CONTACT: MICK HARRISON, ESQ., LITIGATION DIRECTOR (812) 361-6220

    DAVID MEISWINKLE, ESQ., CHAIRMAN (908 ) 420-2943

    The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, a nonprofit public interest organization, hereby announces its filing with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York of an important Petition Supplement regarding persons who may have information material to 9/11-related crimes previously reported to the U.S. Attorney. In April and July of last year, the Lawyers’ Committee filed a Petition and an Amended Petition demanding that the U.S. Attorney, pursuant to its duty under a federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 3332, present to a Special Grand Jury extensive evidence of federal crimes relating to the destruction by explosive demolition of three World Trade Center Towers on September 11, 2001 that resulted in extensive loss of life.

    On November 7, 2018, the U.S. Attorney replied to the Lawyers’ Committee acknowledging the original Petition and Amended Petition and agreeing to comply with 18 U.S.C. § 3332. This federal law states: “[a]ny such [United States] attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the [Special] grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney's action or recommendation.” 18 U.S.C. § 3332 further states that “(a) It shall be the duty of each such [special] grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district.” The U.S. Attorney, however, did not state explicitly what actions would be taken to comply.

    The Petition Supplement filed today, building on the prior-filed evidence of “what” crimes were committed during this tragedy, focuses on the “who,” “why,” and “how” of these yet-to-be prosecuted crimes. The thirty-three-page document presents detailed information regarding persons who may have information material to the federal Special Grand Jury’s investigation. This new Petition Supplement was addressed to U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey S. Berman as well as to Michael Ferrara and Ilan Graff, Chiefs, Terrorism and International Narcotics Unit.

    The Lawyers’ Committee’s April 10th 52-page original Petition was accompanied by 57 exhibits and presented extensive evidence that explosives were used to destroy three WTC Towers on 9/11. That evidence included independent scientific laboratory analysis of WTC dust samples showing the presence of high-tech explosives and/or incendiaries; numerous first-hand reports by First Responders of seeing and hearing explosions at the World Trade Center on 9/11; expert analysis of seismic evidence that explosions occurred at the WTC towers on 9/11 both prior to the airplane impacts and prior to the building collapses; and expert analysis and testimony by architects, engineers, and scientists concluding that the rapid onset symmetrical near-free-fall acceleration collapse of these three WTC high rise buildings on 9/11 exhibited the key characteristics of controlled demolition. The July 30th Amended Petition included the same evidence but also addressed several additional federal crimes beyond the federal bombing crime addressed in the original Petition.

    The Lawyers’ Committee concluded in the petitions that explosive and incendiary devices that had been preplaced at the WTC were detonated causing the complete collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11, and the resulting tragic loss of life, and that “the evidence permits no other conclusion -- as a matter of science, as a matter of logic, and as a matter of law.” Both petitions and a names-redacted version of the just-filed Petition Supplement are available to the public on the Lawyers’ Committee’s webpage at www.lcfor911.org.

    Attorney David Meiswinkle, President of the Lawyers’ Committee’s Board of Directors, stated: “This Petition Supplement is intended to assist the Special Grand Jury by providing a roadmap for a meaningful investigation into the yet-to-be-prosecuted 9/11 WTC crimes that the Lawyers’ Committee has reported and documented in our Petitions.”

    Ed Asner, Executive Director of the Lawyers’ Committee, stated: “The filing of this important Supplement to the Lawyers’ Committee’s historic Petition to the U.S. Attorney represents a significant second step towards greater transparency and accountability regarding the tragic events of 9/11 at the World Trade Center.”

    Attorney Mick Harrison, Litigation Director for the Lawyers’ Committee, stated: “We understand the need for secrecy relating to what occurs before the Special Grand Jury. However, the law does not preclude the U.S. Attorney from communicating with the Lawyers’ Committee regarding whether our Petition and Supplement have in fact been provided to the Special Grand Jury, and whether our attorneys and scientific experts will be allowed to present evidence. The U.S. Attorney has been silent on these important questions. We would prefer to believe the best based on actual communications, rather than having to assume the worst based on months of silence. Out of necessity, we have just advised the U.S. Attorney that we are considering filing a federal court petition under the federal mandamus statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1361, and the Administrative Procedures Act, 5 U.S.C. §§ 702, 706, to compel the U.S. Attorney to perform its duties under 18 U.S.C. § 3332. We would prefer to collaborate with, rather than bring legal action against, the U.S. Attorney’s Office, but in order to do so, the U.S. Attorney will need to timely communicate with us.”

    The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is a nonprofit, 501(c)(3) organization devoted to conducting investigations and public education in the public interest regarding matters related to the tragic events of September 11, 2001 and the circumstances leading up to and following those events, with a focus on government transparency and accountability regarding investigation and prosecution of those responsible for the crimes related to 9/11 (whether those responsible are foreign or domestic individuals, corporations, or government entities). The Amended Petition, exhibits, and names-redacted Petition Supplement filed with the U.S. Attorney for submission to the Special Grand Jury can be found at the Lawyers’ Committee’s website, www.lcfor911.org.


    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/512...aterial-information-in-9-11-grand-jury-filing
     
  11. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    There is no physical/forensic evidence that enables someone to determine that the explosions were explicitly caused by DEMOLITION CHARGES of some sort. The explosions or descriptions of explosions could have been caused by many things. Including a jet fuel fireball that rushed down the elevator shaft (as described by William Rodriguez) and burned David Felipe as he stood in front of the freight elevator. Even the lawyer's petition amendment has people describing a fireball coming out of the elevator shaft.
     
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    awesome ... finally an update ... I am dying to see the evidence as described ...
     
  13. Eleuthera

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    It won't go far only because the DOJ is utterly corrupted. It's amazing that the USA even accepted the petition. Maybe he is the one good man left in the DOJ.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Nah.

    It won't go far because they have no evidence and the claims are idiotic.
     
  15. l4zarus

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    It has got to be some sort of crime to start a nonprofit for the purposes of collecting money and/or promoting fraud.
     
  16. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Harrit's paper? You're kidding right? Harrit's paper is garbage as has been proven.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It probably is, but starting a non-profit to find the truth and seek justice is not a crime.
     
  18. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    The idiotic claim is that AE911T is promoting some kind of fraud despite that the primary objective from the moment the organization was created is to petition for a new investigation into 9/11. And the petition for a grand jury investigation is one version of their objective.
     
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    The NIST reports? You're kidding right? The NIST reports are garbage as has been proven.

    Summary of problems with the NIST WTC Tower Report

    1. The claim that the upper part of the towers crushed the lower part of the towers violates the laws of conservation of momentum and the law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As shown by the measured smooth uninterrupted descent of the upper portion of the North Tower.

    2. NIST claims that the floor trusses in the aircraft impact zone push outward on the perimeter columns with a force of about 80 KIPS before starting to sag and pull the columns inward to cause the building to collapse. Yet there is no evidence to support this claim. Extensive photos and videos of the towers show no outward bowing of the perimeter columns at any time during the fires before the collapse.

    3. NIST imposed unrealistic artificial 5 KIP forces on each floor truss to column connection over the 5 stories of the damage zone on the south face of the North Tower in order to make their collapse initiation model work. This amounts to a lateral force of about 750 KIPS applied artificially to that face of the building which cannot be justified by any rationale.

    4. NIST does not investigate or explain the global collapse which occurred after the collapse initiation was supposedly initiated by the column failures in the impact zone. NIST simply states, “global collapse ensued”.

    5. The NIST collapse sequence is initiated by the failure of the floor trusses in the impact zone and subsequent pulling in of the perimeter column. But the sequence ignores the fact that the core columns failed first, as evidenced by the video of the North Tower collapse showing that the antenna and hat truss resting on the core column began their descent well before the outer perimeter of the building began to fall. This fact invalidates the NIST collapse initiation theory.

    6. The NIST report fails to provide any information suggesting that the load capacity of the core and perimeter columns was exceeded at any time during the collapse sequence. NIST ignored the fact that the factor of safety of 3 in the core columns and 5 in the perimeter columns would have prevented the failure mechanism that is theorized in their collapse initiation model.

    7. The NIST global collapse theory depends upon the ASCE-published progressive collapse theory by Zdenek Bazant. His theory has been shown to have erroneous input data rendering it non-viable as an explanation for the observed behavior of the vertical propagation. ASCE refuses to acknowledge the errors in the input data of Bazant’s theory.

    All assumptions below, which were used in the NIST WTC7 report, have been shown to be erroneous, and correction of these assumptions invalidate the report's conclusions.

    1. A girder bearing seat width of 12 inches not 11 inches at column 79 would prevent girder walk off.

    2. The omitted stiffeners on girder A2001 at column 79 would have prevented the flange from folding and eliminated any chance of walk off.

    3. The thermally expanded girder A2001 could not move past the column 79 side plate.

    4. There were shear studs on girder A2001 and this would cause the beams to buckle before pushing the girder off its seat.

    5. All west and south girder connections to column 79 were not broken down to the 6th floor.

    6. A northeast corner floor failure could not cascade down eight floors so there is not enough energy to break through the girder connection on the next floor down.

    7. There were lateral support beams framing G3005 and they would have prevented it from buckling.

    8. Beam and girder notching to simulate their buckling due to the fire in the model is not consistent with the time phased weakening fire would produce.

    9. Evidence of temperatures high enough to melt steel as documented by FEMA was ignored.

    10. The NIST model shows radical deformation of the upper exterior as the east side interior collapses but this is not observed in actual footage of the video collapse.

    11. A simultaneous free fall of all four corners of the roofline does have implications.


    And that's why among many other reasons there's a petition for a grand jury investigation into the destruction of the 3 WTC towers on 9/11.
     
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    Hey Bobby, is this your own summary or did you get this from somewhere else? Can you link to it if it's not your summary? I want to see the evidence for each point that proves/supports what is being claimed.
     
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    Face it you can’t see anything with your OCT blindfold on permanently.
     
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    Which is it Bobby. Did you write that summary or did you get it somewhere else?
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Afraid to show your supporting evidence for all those "problems" Bobby? I did a search for a couple of sentences and they all come back to your posts here. So I guess you're the one who wrote that summary? Is that true?
     
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    Let's discuss these two "problem" points Bobby.

    Which NIST documents talk about the KIPS mentioned in both points above? Which page/s and which document/s?

    I search through:

    NCSTAR 1-6: Structural Fire Response and Probable Collapse Sequence of the World Trade Center Towers
    NCSTAR 1-6C: Component, Connection, and Subsystem Structural Analysis
    NCSTAR 1-6D: Global Structural Analysis of the Response of the World Trade Center Towers to Impact Damage and Fire
    NCSTAR 1-2: Baseline Structural Performance and Aircraft Impact Damage Analysis of the World Trade Center Towers
    NCSTAR 1-2A: Reference Structural Models and Baseline Performance Analysis of the World Trade Center Towers

    I see no mention of "80 KIP" in those.
     
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    Why? Does it really matter to you? As already stated and proven, there is not one thing that's ever going to convince you that the OCT is a fraud. The research and analysis has been done by experts who will likely be expert witnesses who have volunteered to testify to the grand jury investigation. You're not one of those nor do you have the standing or the credentials to contradict them. I posted this several times but if you insist.

     

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