9/11 Truth for Dummies: Why Near-Free Fall Speed Was Impossible Without Explosives

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  1. n0spam

    n0spam New Member

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    Concrete & Gypsum would be a GUESS ...... the structure was composed of
    STEEL with a 4" thick concrete deck on top of steel to form the floors.
    ......
    this would also make the statement that the forces
    to break each floor all the way down, were totally identical
    and uniformly distributed throughout the floor on the same horizontal
    plane with the floor level. how likely is that?
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    considering the perimeter walls were peeling away on the way down,very likely
     
  3. n0spam

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    The question at hand
    is was the observed "collapse" the result of explosives,
    or simply a gravity motivated "collapse" event?

    Given that destruction was complete,
    My opinion on the subject, is explosives.
     
  4. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Again,the destruction wasn't complete,had it been,there would not have been anything left recognizable...And it was a collapse assisted by gravity..NO explosives.
     
  5. Hannibal

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    Opinions vary.

    The Vast majority of the world's experts disagree with you.
     
  6. Gamolon

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    Now you're starting to get it.

    The problem is that the structure, in solidarity, it still composed of multiple, individual components. Each of those components has varying limits to the loads that they can resist. A single bolted floor truss connection as WAY weaker than the column it is attached to right? Two bolted floor truss connections are stronger than one. If you surpass any of the individual or combined components in one of the may structural assemblies that make up a complete structure, you get failure.

    Here is what I am trying to explain to you. The first floor beneath the descending upper section was designed to resist the load of itself and anything placed upon it during the course of it's life. That's it. Each floor has nothing to do with supporting the weight above it. That's the columns jobs. When the upper section collided with the first floor below it, were you expecting the floor connections, which were designed to hold up its own weight and the objects upon it, to resist that force?

    This is what I am trying to get you to understand about structures.
     
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    do tell,
    & how does a structure react to chaotic forces?
    and in fact, even if the forces were totally uniform, is there any
    guarantee that all of the connections within the building would break
    each at the exact proper moment to produce the result as observed?
     
  8. Gamolon

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    What's chaotic about it? The upper section fell DOWN due to gravity. It impacted the first floor below. The floor could not handle it and was sheared. What were you expecting to survive? That upper section easily covered the 208' x 208' footprint. Please explain how you envision certain connections surviving the onslaught of falling debris.

    Ok. Explain to me how any floor truss connections would have survived/escaped the descending upper section. The debris practically fell straight down.

    Observed?! I've asked you this before. How do you know that they all broke at the same moment? Were you able to see through the perimeter facade?
     
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    There is a plane of destruction, the plane is level all the way down
    if any connections on any side of the building had lagged behind,
    the result would be a tipping of the plane with the dumping of tons
    of rubble over the side, and that would effectively stop the action.
    there are a LOT more ways that it could go & that is NOT completely
    destroying the building, than the way that it did go, & that is to completely
    destroy the building ( helped along by explosives )
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I have not know any building to collapse due to gravity, do you know of any? Please post it if you do.

    Still posting lies I see. The top section did not crash into the the floors below, it hit nothing at all!

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    thats really simple when they do not break at the same moment. ANY engineer can can tell you that they do this.

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  11. LogicallyYours

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    So, the top floors above the damaged floors didn't impact the those two damaged floors and the next floor after that one? Is that your absurd claim?
     
  12. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Not my fault the proof is beyond some peoples skill level.




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    I suppose some day a truther will be kind and generous and explain it.

    Thats not today however
     
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    Oh, by all means....explain to me something you can't. And then explain how it was faked in the video.
     
  14. Kokomojojo

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    now your not even making any sense lol Well lets see that university level teaching, when I see a deposit of 125 bucks for the first hour of tutoring I will teach you.
     
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    You would be comical is you weren't so intellectually pathetic. If the building feel at free fall speed, why is there debris seen on the video, outpacing the collapse?
     
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    which video?

    Its really impolite to say things like that to someone you ask to teach you.
     
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    thats where having a good skill set comes in handy because it helps people have a greater understanding of how things work around them so they dont have so much angst

    no actually they arent
     
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    isn't that special ......

    The real problem ( at least as I see it ) is the fact that even if you
    settle for 64% of free fall, what is apparent here is the fact of total destruction,
    note the mass quantities of pulverized material, and the total absence of any
    recognizable bits like file cabinets, junk-food machines, or even restroom fixtures,
    Kitchen gear from the restaurant at the top of one of the towers.
    where is all the STUFF? The completeness & uniformity of the destruction is astounding.
    WHY should anybody believe that the towers simply succumbed to damage
    from aircraft crashes & fires? .................. Can U say lame excuses? ......
     
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    Look up Verniage.
     
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    and "Verniage" can explain how the top 15% of a skyscraper can
    "collapse" down onto the remaining 85% and cause complete destruction?

    what?
     
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    Again,the destruction was NOT 'complete'
     
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    In the case of the North tower, there was a Restaurant at the top,
    how much kitchen gear survived? refrigerators, heavy iron cookware, Stoves, steel counter tops,
    where is it? what? nothing remains? where are the pix of what ever it was that remained after the dust settled?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    I'm not speaking of 'things' that were in the tower
     
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    Just exactly how much of the tower remained, and is that documented someplace?
     
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    Portions of the exterior wall came down in large,recognizable chunks..especially the 'tridents'
     

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