9-11 Truthers & Holocaust Deniers

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There seems to be an interesting connection between 9-11 Truthers and Holocaust Deniers.

    Both groups seem to share members.

    Both groups often blame their conspiracies on a shadowy group of Jews, trying to take over and rule the world.

    Is this phenomenon just an anamoly or it is a real trend?
     
  2. EggKiller

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    As the avid Hillary supporter you are, as the avid Bernie supporter you would have been, I suggest you stay away from those conspiracy sites. You've already proven your mind is for sale no sense putting it in those markets.
     
  3. Bob0627

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    IMO there's either a connection to the US government or a mental disconnection for those who parrot and defend the OCT and the storytellers and attack those who don't buy the fairy tale or criticize it. Conflating 9/11 "Truthers" with "Holocaust Deniers" is a typical attempt at discrediting/insulting those who don't swallow the OCT fairy tale and a blatant and disgusting propaganda attempt at steering those who buy the OCT for the most part but have significant questions about the OCT from publicly asking questions.

    I was born into a Jewish family where some of them were murdered during the Holocaust. I am an atheist who attended religious school as a child (an indoctrination) but I will never deny my heritage. One of the incidents that created the pretext for the Nazis' invasion of Europe and precipitated the Holocaust (a genocide of massive proportions that my parents and other members and friends of my family lived and some died through) was the Reichstag fire FALSE FLAG. The pretext for the US invasion of the Middle East and the subsequent GENOCIDE that is now a perpetual fake war on terror is the 9/11 FALSE FLAG incident.
     
  4. l4zarus

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    I was going to do a "fixed that for you" edit, but, on the off chance your not a flimflam arist and you've really been bamboozeld, I'll respond seriously:

    The roots of the entire "Truth" movement are found in the radical and alt-right. I started a thread a couple years back documenting part of this:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/363567-who-first-push-space-beams-no-planes-memes.html

    For more information :
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-...hanges-la-leader-belies-groups-moderate-image

    What you're conflating is a political attempt to mainstream alt-right politics in anti war leftist rhetoric, and you fell for it.

    Again, if you are who you claim you are, all this proves is you've been successfully scammed into pushing this alt-right conspiracy flimflam.

    And the Riechstag Fire was not a falseflag. While the Nazis used it as an excuse to go after communists, the fire was not set by the Nazis, which it would have to be to be a "false flag".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

    Do you see how you've been told outright lies and/or are having trouble thinking straight?

    Now to address the OP: the reason for the overlap is simple: most of the people who invented and profited from the 9/11 theories have connections to the alternative, racist right, who in turn are invested in promoting garbage like Holocaust denial. They do work hard obscuring this connection when trying to recruit people like you, but the connection is there because they share the same reactionary political agenda.

    So yes, the 9/11 Truth Movement has a connection to Holocaust denial. The leadership knows this. But individual rank and file truthers might not be aware, especially the younger crowd.

    Try this experiment: find one leader(author, organizer, etc) who helped build the truth movement in the early days (2001-2006) who does NOT have a connections to alt-right politics. Even the "Loose Change" crew will fail this test(and I don't particularly consider them "leaders". More like patsies )


    Basically, you've been conned, bro.
     
  5. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    It's more like you've been conned BRO. Thanks but I'll stick with what you believe is a con and you can promote that it's all a con all you want BRO. The US government would never lie to you and the "9/11 truth movement" as you call it is all a big scam, you can trust your life on that.
     
  6. l4zarus

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    Strawman. I've never said the US Government has never lied to anyone.

    Now, perhaps you'd like to name one prominent, well known, 9/11 truth speaker/ scientist/organizer who does NOT have connections or associations with the alt right?

    Any time you're ready.
     
  7. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry not interested in your silliness. I'm interested in what really happened on 9/11 and the OCT is not it, "alt right", "alt middle" or "alt left" aside.
     
  8. l4zarus

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    The only reason you say that is you've fallen for alt-right lies and propaganda, and conspiracy theories invented by racists and Nazis.

    FYI the "both sides" criticism of the "left-right" system is also propaganda from the far right.

    You fall for their garbage a lot, huh? Maybe you should ask yourself why.

    And unfortunately for you this thread is about Holocaust deniers in "9/11 Twoof". If you find the subject so silly, perhaps not post in the thread?
     
  9. Bob0627

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    Because it's still my prerogative to post as I see fit, not yours. And I saw it fit to comment on your silliness, which is actually more insulting than silly. But don't worry, I won't bother any further with your ideology, there's nothing here really worthy of discussion, at least not for me.
     
  10. Scott

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    This is one of the first forums on 9/11 where truthers could just talk to each other with little or no disruption from disinfo agents.
    http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx

    I used to post there. I never saw anything rightist anywhere there.
     
  11. l4zarus

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    First of all, I said nothing about "disinfo agents". There are no "disinfo agents", because there is no conspiracy.

    And since the "Truth Movement" is an invention of the fringe right trying to mainstream its ideas through the anti war movement, its no surprise the forum was full of naive misguided kids who believed they were doing something real(I include Avery in this. Not sure about Rowe or Bermas).

    As I said in one reply, the rank and file might not be aware, but we're talking about the "scientists", researchers and "leaders"(including people who recruit). To prove this point, you might want to check out the credits of the first LC film, that include two Holocaust deniers: Christopher Bollyn and "Killtown". Phil Jayhan, a conspiracy conman with radical right associations, virtually acted as Avery's mentor before their falling out. Avery himself tells of how he was repeatedly pressured to work alt-right propaganda in his films:

    "Avery was tired and beginning to grow wary of both the Truth Movement and his place in it. “There were anti-Semites saying the Israeli intelligence agency pulled off 9/11,” he says. “They wanted me to put that stuff in my films.” "


    All you're doing is proving my point: Holocaust denial and Trutherism has a heavy over lap because they both come from the alt-right. The fact so much effort was put into obscuring this fact and actively recruiting leftists into Trutherism, just shows how sleazy these people are.


    And they're still doing it today:Anti-Semite Christopher Bollyn tries to gate crash space for 9/11 "Twoof"
     
  12. Scott

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    I'm a 9/11 truther because the proof that the government planned and carried out the attacks is crushing.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060

    When I first saw the proof, I didn't experience cognitive dissonance and go into denial because I'd already seen what the US government really was.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html

    Politically I'm a leftist. I think American imperialism is evil and I think that planned obsolecsence is killing the planet and I think that white supremacists are morons.
    https://www.google.es/?gfe_rd=cr&ei...he+Light+Bulb+conspiracy+Planned+Obsolescence
    https://www.youtube.com/results?q=The+Light+Bulb+conspiracy+Planned+Obsolescence

    Those are leftist positions.

    I googled around and checked out some revisionist Holocaust info. I haven't formed a firm opinion as it's mostly second-hand info; I'll modify my opinion if some new info turns up but I have to say the revisionists make a good case and it shouldn't just be dismissed.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0

    The scientific method should be used when researching this issue just like it should be used with any other issue.

    The mainstream distorts the revisionists' position; they don't say the holocaust didn't happen. They say it happened but it was exaggerated and distorted. They say the camps were there but they were slave labor camps and not death camps. They also say that taking people prisoner and forcing them to work as slaves is reprehensible so they're not Nazi apologists.

    They make some good points. All those pictures of emaciated bodies are consistent with a typhus epidemic and starvation caused by food shortages.
    http://therealistreport.com/the-holocaust-hoax-exposed-debunking-the-20th-centurys-biggest-lie/

    http://nazigassings.com/
    (excerpt)
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    There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
    ----------------------------------

    This video makes a good case for there not having been any gas chambers.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12

    I still haven't gotten around to reading this whole on-line book.
    http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml

    I've only scanned it but I'm posting it anyway. It seems to have been written by a survivor of the camps who says there were atrocities but no gas chambers.

    I don't think that my looking at the revisionist info objectively makes me a rightist.
     
  13. Shinebox

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    Da Jooos did it ... FFS people ...
     
  14. l4zarus

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    No, it is not.

    Yes, you are a textbook case of someone tricked by alt-right conspiracies. I suspect it was GW wars that sucked you in, right?

    Now ask yourself why Leftists aren't joining you in droves, or better yet, where have all the Leftist 'truthers' have gone. There's a reason they're gone. They woke up.

    The answer: there is no crushing "proof" of anything. You've become too emotionally invested in this world view, you can't think critically any more.

    If the proof was "crushing" it would be plastered all over the media and in other credible publications.
     
  15. Bob0627

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    And the proof that the MSM is NOT credible and no more than a bunch of government parroting propaganda rags is the fact that you won't likely find anything that contradicts the OCT in any of these MSM publications. But for you and millions of others they're all "credible".
     
  16. Scott

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    I've lived outside of the US for more than twenty five years. The info in post #1 of this thread is just basic knowledge outside of the US.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html

    Outside of the US there's nothing more amusing than a group of Americans discussing politics.
     
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    Blogs, your own forum posts and random book reviews on Amazon as your sources of factual proof. Working towards your Masters on Hoocaust Denial. :roflol:
     
  20. Scott

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    You're missing the point. If you talk to people from third workd countries randomly, you'll see that what they say is consistent with the info in that link. Have you talked to many people from those countries? If you have, did you talk about American imperialism?
     
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    I have as I lived there for two years and the more American products they can get the better they like it.
     
  22. Scott

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    You seem to be tap dancing around the issue instead of addressing it. You're not going to convince the viewers that I'm wrong by doing that.

    Please address the issue of the US installing puppet governments in third world countries which permit US companies to steal their resources.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html
     
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    Why do not just stay on that thread rather than derailing this one?
     
  24. Scott

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    You sure are good at tap dancing aournd issues instead of addressing them. I posted that issue to further my argument that we are lied to as it's an example of our being lied to. Now address what I asked you to address.
     
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    It's a forum post not a source of proof. Now, I already answered your question - people living in third world countries are happy to make money and have access to consumor goods. As for Imperialism What country are you saying is a subject of the US.
     

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