Discussion in '9/11' started by Bob0627, Sep 16, 2019.
No 9/11 whistleblowers? Really?
A bit over 2:07 hours long.
An index to the video:
0:47 - Kevin Ryan
19:20 - Cate Jenkins
41:50 - Barry Jennings
1:05:12 - Michael Springman
1:30:15 - William Rodriguez
1:56:10 - The 9/11 Commissioners
And then there's Sen. Mark Dayton:
Sibel Edmonds case: The real culprits of 911
By Luke Ryland
Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds has made a number of disturbing claims about the 911 attacks, but perhaps the most disconcerting is her oft-repeated statement that the US authorities have covered up an entire organizational layer within al-Qaeda.
In the documentary, Kill The Messenger, Sibel says:
“They haven’t mentioned anybody who actually is connected to Al Qaida, in mid or higher level.”
Similarly, Sibel often says:
“And I would like to give an analogy – if you take the War on Drugs, imagine if they only went after street dealers and they refused to investigate the mid-level dealers or the drug lords. This is very similar.”
As we approach another 911 anniversary, it’s time we learnt:
1) Who are these mid and high-level al-Qaida operatives?
2) What role did they play in planning 911?
3) What operational support did they provide?
4) Why they are still roaming free today?
5) Why did the US authorities continually exclude key participants from the official narrative?
Sibel Edmonds is the most gagged woman in US history making it a little it difficult for us, the public, to have a detailed understanding of everything she knows about al-Qaida and the 911 attacks, but she has given interviews and written a number of great articles and letters which enable us to put some of the pieces together.
Immediately after the release of the 911 Commission report, Sibel wrote an open letter to Thomas Kean and the Commission in which she chided the 911 Commission panel for ignoring important issues related to the attacks, and she also made public some of her closed-door testimony to the 911 Commission.
For example, in that letter, Sibel identified specific warnings from April 2001 that:
“1) Osama bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting four or five major cities;
2) the attack was going to involve airplanes;
3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States;
4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months.”
As we all know, this information was not included in the Commission report, and was barely mentioned in the US media even though it was confirmed in the Chicago Tribune and FBI Director Robert Mueller was surprised that he wasn’t asked about it by the 911 Commission. In fact, according to Sibel,
“(A)fter 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to “keep quiet” regarding this issue.”
More importantly, for today’s purposes, I want to focus on this statement from the same letter:
“The public has still not been told of the intentional obstruction of intelligence. The public has not been told that certain information, despite its relevance to terrorist activities, is not shared with counterterrorism units. This was true prior to 9/11, and it remains true today. If counterintelligence receives information about terrorism that implicates certain nations, semi-legit organizations or the politically powerful in this country, then that information is not shared with counterterrorism, regardless of the consequences. In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents have cited “direct pressure by the State Department.” The Department of Justice Inspector General received detailed evidence regarding this issue. I provided your investigators with an account of this issue, the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and the names of U.S. officials involved in these transactions and activities.”
Read the rest ...
John Kiriakou exposed the CIA torture program. The torture of detainees were meant to advance the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. Detainees were tortured mercilessly into giving "confessions" about whatever information the CIA wanted these victims to "confess" to. Some claimed that they would say anything to get the tortures to stop. One was forced to sign a "confession" that he was not allowed to read and his "confession" was used by the 9/11 Commission to support the official 9/11 narrative (see FACTS 12-17 below).
CIA WhistleBlower Susan Lindauer
How was Bobby Really Killed?
After Bob McIlvaine met with the doctor that examined his son’s body, it was confirmed that he had been hit by flying glass from some kind of gigantic blast. Bobby’s face was damaged beyond recognition — with chest lacerations from glass shards, and post-mortem burn marks. The blast also blew Bobby out of his laced shoes.
Let us be clear: He was not killed by burns from a fireball, but rather by a huge blast or explosion in the lobby of the North Tower.
After many years research, Bob McIlvaine says:
“My final summation is that he was walking into the building, and before he got into the building there was a huge explosion, and of course the force of it just threw him back into the open area… He wasn’t hit by a fireball, he was hit by a detonation…
“It (the fireball) blew out the 72nd floor, it blew out the 23rd floor, it blew out the lobby, it blew out all sorts of floors in the basement, and it even destroyed parts of the PATH [rail] station more than 200 feet away. For one fireball to do all that — well, that’s one powerful fireball.”
As much as I respect and admire Sibel, it appears the "information" that AQ and OBL were planning or executed the attacks of 911 was not valid. It was misinformation.
Certain Israeli interests and their co-conspirators within the Pentagon were the ones who planned and executed the attacks, and then saw to it that the government commission would be simply a rubber stamp, a cover-up still going on, including the judiciary.
OBL and AQ were not capable of doing all that has been done.
Whether that's true or not, the information she had was not only ignored, it was also suppressed to the level that she was threatened by the US government if she did not remain silent. That is true of virtually all whistleblowers who expose US government crimes. Odds are what she was trying to expose was the pre-planned US government narrative.
100% agree. They could not possibly have done all that even if they planned to.
Talk about beating a dead horse.
Obviously you didn't learn last time, so I'll post it again:
And because I know how terrible you are at clicking links that contain information which contradict you, I'll paste a bit more here:
Maybe it's true, 19 Muslims actually did the deed.
I've read Sibel's book "Classified Woman" and visit her website fairly often.
Apparently the influence of Turkey inside the federal government might be second only to Saudi or Israel.
Talk about beating a dead horse (the OCT).
So will I. Obviously you will never learn because you fanatically believe the official narrative on 9/11. From the mouth of the eyewitness who was actually there on 9/11 (start at 41:50):
So what you post and believe is strictly limited in relevance to your opinion in this forum. What is relevant:
1. Eyewitness statements (over 150 statements of hearing, seeing, feeling and being injured by explosions at all 3 towers, some prior to the first plane impact, as well as multiple eyewitness statements of seeing molten steel or metal).
2. Scientific studies proving the officially accepted NIST hypothesis on WTC7 was a fabrication and is therefore wholly false.
3. Scientific studies corroborated by physical, video and eyewitness evidence that strongly support the hypothesis of a controlled demolition of WTC7 on 9/11.
4. The demand for a legitimate investigation (currently 2 lawsuits with likely more on the way and a Congressional initiative) into what really happened on 9/11 because the official version has been proven to be based on fraudulent science and bold faced lies, among other things.
You actually have nothing. 95% of your witnesses are describing the collapse of the towers or the impacts of the planes. Aside from that, eyewitnesses don't mean a thing unless they can be corroborated by physical evidence, and you have precisely zero of that. Your scientific studies are a farce. <Rule 2>
I will ignore the insult(s) which have been reported.
100% agree, I wasn't there on 9/11 and had nothing to do with it. 9/11 is not about me though.
I don't own any witnesses (see above). Witnesses are what they are and speak for themselves. You don't speak for them and you're not the chosen one, so everyone decides for themselves what the 9/11 eyewitnesses have put on record.
Many people have been convicted strictly via eyewitness evidence. Aside from that many 9/11 eyewitness accounts are corroborated not only by multiple eyewitnesses, but also by video and physical evidence, not to mention expert witness evidence.The evidence of some of that has been filed in 2 federal court cases. There are also outstanding FOIA requests for additional evidence which will also be filed once fulfilled. And additional evidence will also present itself during the discovery phase. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure Dr. Hulsey's final peer reviewed report will also be filed as expert witness evidence.
I've never done any scientific study that I know of. Maybe you know of one I published, fill me in. As to legitimate 9/11 scientific studies conducted by experts. They are what they are and since you're still not the chosen one, those who make their own decisions are going to be the ones deciding, not you. Many of those are relevant experts and have full standing to determine the legitimacy of these studies, unlike you.
You are irrelevant when it comes to 9/11 so you can't possibly "let me down". 9/11 was a massive let down, you are nothing in comparison. There is no evidence that any of these studies have "been pulled to shred and exposed as lies" by any legitimate source. Are you that worried about a real investigation into 9/11 that you feel the need to make up this nonsense and hurl insults? Do you think it helps somehow? You sound terrified. I don't blame you though, reality can be terrifying.
Shayna Steinger, the consulate officer in Saudi Arabia who granted visas to the 9/11 terrorists.
Why wasn't she interrogated? Why wasn't she water-boarded?
The 9/11 Commission Report is a lie.
She still works for the State Department
Her boss, John Brennan was not interviewed either. It's easy to figure out why. The official story is a hoax.
Then there's Senator Paul Wellstone who was very conveniently killed in a plane crash, Oct 2002, after he questioned why Bush refused to investigate the attacks.
“There are so many things going on re 9/11 that just don’t make sense”.
— Senator Paul Wellstone
“I asked him how his week had been. He said, ‘it’s been tough. Vice President Cheney called me in and told me to get on their bandwagon or there would be serious ramifications in Minnesota. ‘And stop sticking your nose into 9/11; there are some rumors going around, but we are going to get to the bottom of this.’ When Paul made this statement, there were about 10 military veterans standing around us, and he spoke to them about 9/11…’There are so many things going on about 9/11 that just don’t make sense…’ Wellstone knew 9/11 was staged. Wellstone was after 9/11.”
–Pat O’Reilly, Wellstone’s close friend.
'For nearly a year now, evidence has been accumulating about the event that ended the life of this magnificent human being. Whatever caused the crash was not the plane, the pilots or the weather. In spite of what you may have heard, the plane was exceptional, the pilots well-qualified and the weather posed no significant problems. Even the National Transportation Safety Board's own simulations of the plane, the pilots and the weather were unable to bring the plane down...
'As Christopher Bollyn of American Free Press reported, "According to Rick Wahlberg, then St. Louis County sheriff, a team of FBI agents was quickly on the crash site about noon, less than an hour after (assistant manager Gary) Ulman and the (fire) chief had first located the site and found a way to access the wreck. This FBI team had come from the distant Twin Cities in record time!"
'When Bollyn "asked Ulman if he had notified the FBI about the accident, Ulman said he had not spoken with the bureau at any time. Asked how the FBI got to the site so quickly, Ulman said that he assumed they had come from Duluth. AFP contacted the Duluth office of the FBI and was told that the team of 'recovery' agents had not come from Duluth but had traveled from the FBI office in Minneapolis."
'I calculate that this team would have had to have left the Twin Cities at about the same time the Wellstone plane was taking off. Gary Ulman confirmed to me that the FBI had been on the scene no later than 1 p.m. I have reviewed the log books maintained by the Sheriff's Department at Eveleth and have discovered that they are grossly incomplete and cannot confirm when the FBI showed up.
'The FAA has told me that its records of private aircraft arriving in Duluth that morning have been destroyed, even though they might verify the FBI's early arrival.And the NTSB has canceled sessions where it would ordinarily take input from the public.'
Although that's another excellent piece of work by James Corbett it only deals with the aftermath. I often hear objections relating to before the fact, ie, how could such a complex operation be organized without someone blowing the whistle during this phase.
The best explanation I've found is here:
Your thoughts, Bob? Or do you know of another analysis?
The video looks expensive and professional. Probably shot by a professional production company. Who financed it? I bet that was the Kremlin
About James Corbett: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Corbett
LOL, when you encounter constipation or insomnia, do you also blame the Kremlin?
That wouldn't be plausible, because personal malaise does not threaten the western world. But propaganda lies aimed at destroying the integrity of the US and Europe often come from Russia.
The article is quite lengthy so I'll answer your question once I've had a chance to read it.
What integrity? Governments that commit endless genocide have no integrity, especially when they commit these human rights atrocities under pretext of their own propaganda lies. No one needs Russia to know that. Anyone who doesn't is living in fairytale land, the one created by these propaganda lies.
So speaks someone, in which the hostile brainwashing already had great success. The effect is probably not reversible.
Separate names with a comma.