9/11CON - The Pentagon

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  1. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    have you watched the Coste/Chandler vids yet?
     
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    As famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said:

    'It is a commonplace that "you can't keep secrets in Washington" or "in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you're likely to read it the next day in the New York Times." These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn't in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.'

    That said, many did come forward as explained here:

    “But someone would have talked,” say the self-styled skeptics who believe the government’s official conspiracy theory of 9/11. But there’s a problem with this logically fallacious non-argument. “Someone” did talk. In fact, numerous people have come out to blow the whistle on the events of September 11, 2001, and the cover-up that surrounds those events. These are the stories of the 9/11 Whistleblowers.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911whistleblowers/

    But you wouldn't know that if you rely on the MSM for info.

    If you want to keep believing an unskilled pilot like him could keep control of a large aircraft like the Boeing 757 at that speed and height and not crash beforehand then go right ahead.

    Amazing coincidence that it should hit the side opposite to where Rumsfeld was holding his regular morning briefing, eh? Even more amazing that it hit the side that contained numerous audit reports linked to the missing trillions, as previously admitted by Rumsfeld himself the previous day.

    What a joke! You gonna believe some anon poster? No thanks, I'll stick to experienced pilots who are not afraid to identify themselves.

     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Uhuh.
    Uhuh. Very convincing - Corbett Report huh? Demolition horse-dung it says?
    "Keep Control" you say? Well he turned it round "military style", pointed it towards the Pentagon and hoped for the best, you keep alluding to this as some pre-planned flying skill. He didn't do anything the plane can't do.

    That's what they call a "conspiracy-theorist" contrived "coincidence". He hit the worst place possible, recently refurbed and strengthened as I recall.

    757 Climb Speed - Live - Infinite Flight Community
    "Today I flew ATL-RSW in a Delta 757 (Beautiful flight by the way), but on climb I noticed that I could climb without the nose pitching up nearly us much as would be expected. I know the 757 has some physics problems but would you believe that this is a 5,500 FOOT PER MINUTE climb?""
    But not all the damn witnesses who actually saw it? Kids online can get on a flight simulator and do this crap all day long. Please spare me your "pilots for truth" hogwash.
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    @undertheradar - Mick West did a flight sim crash on the Pentagon. This "big" banking maneuver is a piece of cake. Turn the plane and keep turning until it comes back on its starting heading.



    Inexperienced Pilot Recreating 9/11 Flight 77's Descending Turn into the Pentagon | Metabunk
    "I'm using X-Plane 11, with the damage setting turn on, meaning any excessive maneuvers would result in loss of control of the plane. X-Plane is a very aerodynamically accurate simulator used for actual flight training for large jets. I still managed to fly straight in at 475mph.

    Another suggestion is that the turn altered where the plane hit (generally as part of a supposed plan to destroy some evidence, like the missing $2.3 Trillion). It actually made almost no difference, just a slightly different angle."
     
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    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    A missile did not hit the Pentagon so please stop with this nonsense … your confirmation bias is not allowing you to look at the evidence that a 757 did indeed hit the Pentagon … watch the vids and see what really happened… unless your attention span can’t handle it …
     
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    X-Plane can connect to other X-Plane instances via UDP or TCP for multiplayer flight simulation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Plane_(simulator)

    uncertified

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › John_Lear
    John Lear - Wikipedia
    John Olsen Lear (December 3, 1942 - March 29, 2022), son of Learjet magnate Bill Lear, was an aviator who set multiple records, later flying cargo planes for the CIA during the Vietnam era. [1]

    lear could not do it in a 'real' flt simulator.
     
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    Explain the tree Koko …
     
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    Explain the rebar that is bent outward from an internal explosion.
    Explain how the vertical stab can hit windows without breaking them.
    Explain where they rest of the plane went.
    They weigh to the tune of 55ton, you showed me about 1/8 ton of debris so far.
    Show me a clip of a plane going into the pentagon.
    No seats.
    No luggage.
    No landing gear.
    No engines.
    No passengers.
    No cut of wings.
    Visual damage not consistent with approach angle.
    Lawn cleaner than mine.
    No produce = no plane.
     
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    I asked you first.. why won’t you watch the vids?
     
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    You never presented a case, present your case.
     
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    Yeah, about this! I just got through watching a video on it, that explains this whole silly claim. I do recall watching something similar many years ago, but these urban-myth claims keep being regurgitated by people who fail to verify what they are even claiming!

    Here's a question for you: Tomorrow, all your woes are going away. You have successfully stolen (meh!) 2.3 trillion dollars and the entire department that deals with it and the only records of all this are going to be obliterated by a plane(missile or what-the-hell-ever!). Easy, job done.

    Now, what crazy world do you go on TV and tell everyone about it!?

    Please read thoroughly the quoted page below. Oh and this video destroys your claim completely, were you to watch it:


    Works for me, but sadly I don't think it will ever be enough for the "911-truthers" arguing in this sub forum.
     
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    the videos are the case … pretty damned good evidence that a 757 hit the Pentagon … 5 second gifs don’t cut it.
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    I do not have a facepalm animation that will suffice.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    that clip destroys the claims that a wing cannot slice through hardened stationary objects … bravo.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    such bunk!
    the wing is not slicing through anything
     
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    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    yes it is … watch the right wing and the side of the barrier … clear as day …
     
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    Evasion of the worst kind. It blew up into smithereens. Then had it entered a building and caught fire, not much would be visible!
    At 3.39 damage assessed to the 12ft thick concrete block. Clearly significant wing damage was made!


    Exactly right. The right wing causes significant penetration to the block.
     
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    no its not, never happen, that is more of the same 911 cartoon physics put out debunkers.
    lets see a pic of the block cut in half by the wing
     
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    Backpedalling?
    Slicing through to a little penetration?
     
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    Thats a barrier not a building btw
     
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    you don’t understand physics … the wings should have just fallen off and tumbled down the side of the WTC right?
     
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    no ****?
     

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