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That is a big part of it.

 

So its not a “right”.

Def:“A power or privilege held by the general public as the result of a constitution, statute, regulation, judicial precedent, or other type of law.”

 

Under your argument, there are no rights
No right to life, liberty, property, or self-determination.
Thus, the right to keep and bear arms is exactly as much a right as the right to vote.

 

I found it-you do want to ban semi auto rifles that are magazine fed

 

If the word "right" doesn't mean what most people think it means, what word would you use in its place?

Maybe instead of our "Bill of Rights" we could call it the "Bill of Conditional Rights".
Wouldn't that be more accurate?

What do you think?

 

You keep moving the goalposts because you cant actually debate the issue at hand

If a “right” can be removed, it is not a “right”, it is a privilege

 

A right should not need to be written and/or codified.
Every human on earth would have the same rights.

 

using your erroneous definition-name a right

 

Life - Liberty - Pursuit of happiness

 

you can be executed through due process of law
you can be incarcerated as easily as you can be disarmed
and someone doing life in FCI Supermax Florence certainly has lost the pursuit of happiness

 

The Constitution protects natural rights and not privileges, as in "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

 

Thanks again for proving my point

They are not right rights…….so back to the original debate…”owning a gun is NOT a right”

 

How about carved in stone like the Ten Commandments?

In an ideal world, you're right about about the basic rights we have that we take for granted.
They should be self evident but I'm still grateful to the humble scribe who preserved these ancient documents.

"Code of Hammurabi"
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Code-of-Hammurabi
EXCERPT "Code of Hammurabi, the most complete and perfect extant collection of Babylonian laws, developed during the reign of Hammurabi (1792–1750 BCE) of the 1st dynasty of Babylon. It consists of his legal decisions that were collected toward the end of his reign and inscribed on a diorite stela set up in Babylon’s temple of Marduk, the national god of Babylonia." CONTINUED


"Magna Carta"
https://www.bl.uk/learning/timeline/item126542.html
EXCERPT "Magna Carta is often seen as the basis of liberty and justice as we know it in the west. The 39th clause of the charter is still part of British law today. It states that: 'No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.'" CONTINUED

 

Re:

I'm not sure where you live but I live in VA and either lots of gun clerks have made big mistakes by selling me firearms for decades or you're mistaken and owning a gun is, indeed, a right.

 

I've never heard anyone claim the 10 commandments were a right. Supposedly they are laws of some god.
Is it even real?

Anything written, can just as easily be unwritten.
Anything written, needs an enforcement mechanism to enforce it.

Rights need none of that.

 

I would argue that every American citizen is born with certain rights. However, those rights can sometimes be forfeited due to specific behaviors which usually entail violating the rights of others.

 

I didn't mean to suggest that the 10 Commandments were "rights" and am not quite clear as to your point.

Please clarify.

 

backtrack much?

 

he contradicted himself anyway. I asked him to name a right-he said life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When I pointed out those could be removed by due process of law, he did the crawfish swim and reversed course. Under his definition of "rights" , there is no such thing

 

Just to be clear

 

And so, according to your standard, there is no right to life, liberty, property, or self-determination.
That is, according to your standard, there are no rights at all.

 

All of these can be removed.
Thus, according to you, these are privileges.

 

as you can see-he cannot decide what are rights

 

I get the feeling he kinda' likes it that way.

 

many on the left think that everything good comes from the every wise and omnipotent big brother