9 dead, 43 injured in Chicago Memorial Day weekend shootings

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  1. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Once again, Chicago is a city. This means people are in a high-density environment. Interactions between people in a city differ significantly in frequency from those in a rural milieu. We should expect these interactions to produce a higher number, per capita, of what can best be called confrontations.

    I think that's all the explanation necessary.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    we can also expect that those who are not deterred by the consequences of a murder conviction, to ignore gun laws
     
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    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, Turtledude.

    Thank you for taking time to comment. What you have said is true of a population, whether it be urban or rural. We would expect to find more of these people in a city, simply because there are more people there.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
     
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    Trixare4kids Well-Known Member

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    Followers. :bleh:
     
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    in the 1890s the republicans had a PROGRESSIVE wing that pushed social legislation the made drug usage against the law...
    we have had violence problems involving drug sales ever since....one state or city anti-gun laws do nothing in a super highway world..whats needed are relaxed prescription laws before nixon cracked down in 1970, and a more civil and humane way of dealing with the HEALTH issue drug abuse is
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Keep telling yourself whatever it is that helps you sleep at night.

    It can be revoked, therefore it cant be a “right”
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed. So we agree that the 2nd amendment is not a guarantee of that right to have a gun ?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So since all of those can be revoked, then your admitting that I am correct
     
  9. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a right except for those who forfeited that right via intentional acts.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not guaranteed rights…..that where you at getting lost I think.

    The stance from the right is that guns are a constitutional right, which they are not. They can be taken away, and you can be legally barred from owning one…..correct ?
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YES

    We have a death penalty in this country
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agreed. So its not a constitutional right if it can be legally taken away ? Laws cannot be “unconstitutional” right ?
     
  13. Turtledude

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    which one of you is correct? you completely contradicted your own position.
     
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    what the second amendment is-is a negative restriction on the government. it doesn't say what people can own but what the government cannot do
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s a right for every American citizen who is law abiding. The government, for no reason at all, cannot come into my home and take my gun or prevent me from getting more. If I willingly commit an offense that puts me in forfeiture of that right, then that’s on me.
     
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    No.
    It proves your standard invalid, and, by extension, your claim there is no right to own a gun, unsound.
     
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    he doesn't even assert a consistent position. the best debate on this thread is grapeape vs grapeape: a form of gorilla warfare?
     
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    It's still a right, but a revoked right, a right that one can legally lose by breaking the law. For instance, a loss of rights because of a criminal conviction can take several forms. Like not being able to vote, being exluded from jury duty, and the loss of the right to possess firearms.
     
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  19. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’ve explained that several times and it appears the response is no comprende.
     
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    Sometimes no comprendes are por design-o. :)
     
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    Thanks again for reminding me what a good decision I made in retiring to a state where the rule is "Constitutional Carry", allowing any legal gun owner to carry open or concealed unencumbered by any registration, permits, limits on magazine capacities and so forth. Its much the same as the spirit of fiscal responsibility here, where we have no state income tax and a 30 billion dollar state budget SURPLUS. We don't have many fat guys wandering around in rainbow colored dresses... we have outlawed the mutilation of children by sexually confused adults, and we outlawed the China Virus Tyranny in March of 2021 (our kids will be astronauts and doctors while blue state kids are still trying to read).

    Thanks for reminding me what a great decision I made retiring here!

    TEXAS!!! WHERE FREEDOM LIVES!!!
     
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    They absolutely are. I recently watched a few town hall meetings of Chicago residents fussing at their local elected officials regarding the illegal immigrants being housed in their city. Many American minorities quite upset by the way for those who want to toss the usual -ist/-phobia words around.

    The bottom line is simple but it's not popular to say out loud but I'll say it load and clear. The policies and ideologies that these elected officials in places like Chicago and other cities in America have are just flat out not compatible with reality. Period. They sound good on paper, but in practice they are flat out not realistic which is why we all see crystal clear what has happened to virtually every major American city in 2023.

    Guns don't kill people, a completely rancid culture that permeates the minds of inner city people is what kills people. I live in one of the top 5 most heavily armed counties on the entire planet. Not just in America, but on the entire planet. We have for all intents and purposes NO gun violence here. I say for all intents and purposes because yeah we have people murdered with guns but the last one to happen was over 20 years ago here. But we have more guns per capita than nearly any other society in the entire world. We don't have a problem like Chicago because we don't have the cultural problem that Chicago has. The fact of the matter is that the culture of the inner cities in America is pure cancer.

    All of this bleeding heart nonsense is just not working. This "oh lets not punish them harshly because of their upbringing" or "they've suffered enough" or "lets try to understand the reasons behind why they felt the need to act this way". That's utter bull. Lock these people up and throw away the key as they have no place in civilized society. Your poor upbringing does not give justification to act this way nor hurt/kill other people. Stop with the excuses and the "understanding" of their point of view.

    As our current President said back when he was sane and normal during his speech on the Congress floor regarding the crime bill in the 1990s. Your crappy upbringing and poverty does not give you an excuse to act this way. Lock these people up and get them away from the rest of us civilized folks in America. But instead what these bleeding heart politicians do is go the opposite route and go weak on crime. Decriminalize "minor" crime, what that does the local businesses and normal civilized Americans be damned. Lets try to "understand" why these people act this way and not be too hard on them because societal circumstances has left them in such a dire situation. Ridiculous.

    Gang culture is cancer. Inner city violent thug culture is cancer. This isn't a gun problem this is the direct result of a pure cancer culture that is prevalent in every single inner city in America. And we as a society coddle these people and allow this ridiculous nonsense to continue all out of fear of being labeled some word that ends with -ist.

    Well whatever, I'll say it, I am a minority so I'm allowed to say it and none of you "privileged" folks are allowed to challenge me in 2023 due to the asinine societal culture you've allowed to infect this country.

    LOCK THESE PEOPLE UP AND FIRE EVERY SINGLE DA WHO WON'T LOCK THESE PEOPLE UP FOR LIFE.

    And if somebody calls you a mean name for it turn around and give them the middle finger. Or don't, I don't care. I don't live in these places nor will I ever live in these places so if the people there continue to vote for politicians that allow this ridiculous nonsense to continue then have fun ducking and dodging bullets while you try to go to the grocery store. You reap what you sow.
     
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    Rights are granted and enforced.
    Except for right to life
     
  24. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you’re ever in my neck of the woods the first twenty beers are on me. Excellent post.
     
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    IF only there was someone who had your won't tolerate violence, hands-on and no-nonsense approach as the mayor of Chicago.
    Which begs the question, why isn't there????
     
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