911 Motive

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  1. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    Are all witnesses reliable? Look at how many at the WTC didn't see a commercial aircraft but instead saw a military-like cargo plane or a smaller propeller plane. Who do we believe? Does video footage trump eye witness accounts? In the videos released of the Pentagon attack, do any of them show a commercial aircraft?

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    Yeah, they folded backwards and waited to explode until the plane was inside the Pentagon. ;)
     
  2. cjnewson88

    cjnewson88 Active Member

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    Hi Jango

    Just one:
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    Who on earth believes that? Nope, they disintegrated..

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    But certainly still smashed the limestone facade and left their mark along the building..

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  3. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    Hello.

    Be honest: if a conspiracy theorist were to post a similarly blurry image (like what 7forever (or whatever his/her username is) has posted before) as evidence for their claim, would you not be skeptical of said blurry image?
     
  4. Jango

    Jango New Member

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    Mike Walter, one of the witnesses you have on your blog, said that the wings folded back.
     
  5. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    It sound like you haven't watched this documentary.

    September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M


    Start watching at the 2:40:21 time mark.


    I addressed the issue of the passengers in post #18.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=438756&page=2&p=1065706264#post1065706264


    I've posted this before.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

    If there were some witnesses who said they'd seen a smaller craft along with some who said they'd seen a full-sized airliner, it's consistent with the scenario of a conspiracy in which there is a mixture of real and planted bogus witnesses. In a conspiracy this large the idea of planted bogus witnesses is not unrealistic.


    In the frame of the footage in post #28 there's no shadow on the ground under the alleged plane; that's consistent with a doctored frame. Start watching the video at the 2:13:36 time mark.
     
  6. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Of course.
    Not all of them ... but a LOT of them are related to either newspapers, TV, armed forces, things like that ... but take the main witness, Lloyd England whose taxi was supposedly pierced by a pole (his wife also works at FBI).
    At the 2nd video he admitted that he set it up, actually people set it up for him and he went along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvWTg-Lb6U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km9SwgpvSPo

    It IS a setup in at least the cases of knocked down poles.
    Setup.
     
  7. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Who said that the wings folded?
    One of the several mole witnesses, Mike Walter, the guy who works for USA Today ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PTRsuRao7A
    Even Lloyd England, the taxi driver with a pole in his windshield admitted this thing was a setup.
    I posted the video somewhere here.

    Your clip showed some plane being destroyed smashing into a wall without penetrating it.
    Supposedly the Boeing penetrated the 3rd ring of Pentagon.

    Missile.
    Besides people did see a plane flying off after the explosion.

    My point is - what is the motive for this?
     
  9. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    and all in on the big conspiracy ... knew just what to say to the media ... just happened to be there ... do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? ...
     
  10. cjnewson88

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    Witnesses? So no official report, investigation, or building report. Understood. The wings did not fold back.

    If you're referring to the scumbags from CIT who hounded an obviously doddery old man, then you can find plenty of material refuting their garbage online.

    uh, yeah, because it's a much smaller plane hitting a very large and solid concrete block designed to stop plane crashes from damaging nuclear power plants..

    It went through one reinforced wall on the outside wall of the building, a big area of office space, and came out the 3rd ring through a brick wall.. what's so impossible about that?

    Yet not one person saw a missile and no debris of a missile was found.

    uh, yeah, a 4 engine propeller plane. Not an airliner. The plane was Gofer06, a C130 out of Andrews who pilot spotted, identified and reported the 757 when it was diving for the Pentagon. The audio of this is on my blog below.

    Not a single witnesses saw an airliner 'fly over' plane.

    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/
     
  11. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Didn't I just show you the video where the taxi driver with a pole in his windshield Lloyd England admitted this is a big show as far as his involvement is concerned?
     
  12. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Interesting forum.
    This whole thing is a hoax or a setup or a cover-up.
    15 years passed and people had plenty of time to examine everything.
    What the population cannot fathom is the magnitude of it - so they look the other way.

    But the Pentagon story is not true and they went a long way to cover up what actually happened.

    My goodness, even the plane's route wasn't true ... I watched that CITGO gas station investigation and interview with regular witnesses who were approached.
    The fake route was made up and poles were clearly planted ...

    You know, I learned sometime ago - when you lie to American people, deep in your heart you actually hate them.
    You don't lie to people you love ... bunch of gangsters, whoever they are.
     
  13. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    The whole thing is a hoax, or a setup or a cover-up.

    People who investigated Lloyd's claims are not scumbags.
    People who are willingly covering it up are the scumbags.
    And they know it.

    I watched their entire interview with other witnesses at gas station and even with 2 cops and others who worked in the neighborhood.
    They all pointed to a different route from where the poles were found.

    Poles were a setup. So was Lloyd ... it is funny that his wife happened to work at FBI as well.

    FBI and CIA have plenty of true patriots of this country who are sick of the gangsters and corruption among them.
    I wish they would do something about it.

    We can do nothing.

    Thanks,
    Ed
     
  14. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Actually that Russian guy in that long video showed that there were tunnels and the nukes were delivered from WTC7 area.
    He also explained the reason the Twins were taken down in that order and not the other way around.

    One thing I do not understand ...
    WTC7 was taken down in a very safe way.
    Why was there such a rush to take down the Twins?
     
  15. cjnewson88

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    You've swallowed their garbage, CIT are scumbags who lie and manipulate. Their pentagon 'fly-over' plane was never spotted by a single witness, and when the maths was done for their so called "North of CITGO" route, the fly over would have required to pull over 11 g's for this manoeuvre, far in excess of any large aircraft and would have quite literally resulted in the in-flight disintegration of the aircraft.

    Wow, they managed to find 4 people out of the 138 official eye witnesses who thought they saw something different. No wonder no one knows who CIT is any more with crack investigations like that!

    Oh, you seem to be a few years behind on the whole CIT thing, so let me just fill you in. The entire CIT "north of CITGO" canard was blown to pieces when it was shown that the security footage from the CITGO gas station caught the shadow of AAL77 passing overheard to the South of the gas station. CIT ran and hid after this was revealed to them.

    Set up in front of dozens of potential eye witnesses? That makes almost as much sense as firing a missile into a building in broad daylight and hoping no one sees it.:roll:

    The total insanity that somehow the best way to stage a plane crash into a building, is to not crash a plane into a building. Yee gods.

    Again, I refer you to my blog, where I only list the facts.

    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/
     
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    Did they get a cherry picker to trim the top of this tree too while no one was watching?

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    Or perhaps bazooka to smash this multi-ton generator ?

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    And they were even so elaborate to bring in a wrecking ball to break a small section of ground structure, just to simulate the left engine hitting it?

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    And just to seal the deal, the managed to get their hands on some Boeing 757 parts and spread them around too?

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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    All airplane parts (engine parts, wheel parts, wing parts, black boxes, etc.) are imprinted with unique serial numbers. All of them are logged and matched to the plane they belong to. To my knowledge, there isn't one single document that has ever been published that definitively matches any found part of any of the 4 alleged airplanes to each of the claimed airliners. A basic forensic investigation would have included such a document. Indeed, the US government should have been eager to publish such a document.
     
  18. Shinebox

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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    You are not proving nor supporting anything and just ripping someone saying they are scumbags.
    They made a great case and presented it.

    Lloyd England lied. Story is not like it was presented. Setup.
    Clear as bell.

    I don't know why you are doing that. You are intelligent and have your own blog.
    It is nice and images are clear, but it does not really show anything.
    And the one with the plane in it? Very grainy.
    I really do not know what to say about it - no one else seems to have it and rely on it.

    Also, there is NO WAY you actually believe the entire official 911 story. Including the passports that were found at the base of the Twins from a plane crashing and entering into and exploding into tremendous ball of fire.
    There is not a person alive who is intelligent and knowledgeable about this believes the entire official 911.

    So there need to be alternative reasons why you are doing this.

    It is impossible for an intelligent and knowledgeable human being to accept the entire story as the gospel of Jesus Christ - you do realize that.
     
  20. Scott

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    This is very good point.

    http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson
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    In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.
     
  21. Shinebox

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    what happened then? ... please explain away the witnesses, the light poles, the destruction, the debris, the idiotic plan ... you so want to believe in a conspiracy that you are blind to the facts ...
     
  22. Edial

    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Weren't we shown an engine by the Twins on Murray St that could not have belonged to such a plane?
    3:10-4:10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-Rp4W_ABE

    Engine from another plane and engine was photographed in Staten Island landfill some time before 9/11.
    I am a New Yorker, so these areas are quite familiar to me.

    Parts MUST be identified by part numbers - otherwise it might as well be Hollywood.

    Show me ... especially when we know that a fake was planted on Murray St.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    How do I know what happened?
    I KNOW and everyone with knowledge and intellect knows that things are not what we are told.

    The purpose of this thread is to figure it out, not to argue about things like that.

    I have theories ... and it is not for Bush to go into Iraq ... we went into Iraq by waving a tube of baby powder claiming it is WMD ... which we never found anyway.

    I do not understand why the Twins needed to be taken down so quickly and in such an unsafe manner while the WTC7 was taken down safely.
    This, in itself, suggests that decision had to be made to do so.
    And since this decision clearly would have caused many casualties, not taking them down would have caused more casualties.

    What was that reason that such a drastic decision to take down the Twins had to be made?
     
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    The NTSB did this job. They will have all the files on record. Have you called them and asked? Or are you one of these 'if I can't find it on google it doesn't exist' type "researchers"?
     
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    CIT were debunked years ago. I'm not going to go into it here. Needless to say, there is a reason they no longer exist.

    I get feedback on a almost daily basis thanking me for the vast amount of information on my blog which proves beyond any doubt AAL77 hit the Pentagon, I just don't think you're willing to spend the time digesting it all.

    I'm not relying on anything, I'm presenting all the known facts on a single page to allow people to access it. No planers like you always focus on the video and nothing else. The video evidence makes up about 2% of the blog, it only supports what the rest of the blog presents, just another piece in the puzzle. Try scrolling down for the rest of it.

    Wow you must think a lot of yourself if you believe that dribble. There is no one outside of the internet that that I know who think 9/11 was an inside job. There is a reason hardly anyone believes it any more; it's false. That is why there is no longer any truth movement. 9/11 truth literally dies when I turn my computer off at night.

    Is this where you accuse me of being a paid shill because you can't refute any of the evidence I posted? How predictable.

    Again, you must really think a lot of yourself. I've been looking into 9/11 since 2006. I am well versed in all the theories and all the rebutting of those theories In my experience, most people who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy are totally unintelligent. Not all, must by far most.
     

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