911 Theories.....Are there any facts?

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    So you're a truther then? Remember the question I asked you several times that you never had the stones to answer?

    Yeah run truther run.
     
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    Why did Bush give General Myers a promotion after 9/11? it was on his watch that 9/11 happened with the attack being successful....so for failure Bush promotes him? Or it's probably because Myers was a good old boy and did his part to ensure the attacks were successful and to cover them up....
     
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    You reward those who did a good job. 9/11 was a success partly because the US intelligence/military apparatus, the world's most expensive and most powerful by far did NOTHING, prior to or on 9/11. And Myers was in charge on 9/11 because CJCS Henry Shelton was not available.

    9/11 was the gift that keeps on giving for the war criminals and their complicit minions.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Maybe General Myers was the one to come up with the solid idea of doing the attacks under the cover of the various training exercises involved in Vigilant Guardian?

    The training exercise environment really did greatly assist the execution of the operation by sowing confusion and indifference.
     
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    That's conjecture, we don't really know who ordered these exercises or who changed the dates of several of the exercises to 9/11/01. That has never been investigated or answered to my knowledge. But certainly those involved are suspects who need to be investigated.

    See the Consensus Points on this subject. There were at least 12 of these exercises scheduled but only 1 (Vigilant Guardian) was mentioned in a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report.

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-me-1/
    http://www.consensus911.org/point-me-2/

    And strongly related, see Consensus Point G: Consensus Points about the Political and Military Commands on 9/11

    http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/#Exercises1
     
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    That's putting it mildly. Who (of reasonable intellect, education and genuine intent), doesn't see anything wrong with 12 military exercises diverting a large number of military aircraft as far as possible from the NE US and all rescheduled exactly on 9/11? Was it just another one of a thousand miraculous/convenient coincidences on 9/11? I believe a real forensic criminal/scientific investigation of 9/11 would require thousands of participants in many relevant disciplines and would last many years. The 9/11 Commission members recommended a permanent 9/11 Commission for a reason, that's one of the rare few things they got right.
     
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    The FBI performed an extensive investigation into 9/11. The commission leaned on their expertise and that of the NTSB. Would Thomas Kean know what a weakened girder looks like?

    I'm not certain the 9/11 Commission's findings were along those lines. They did cite the stove piping of information, a failure to connect the dots, and a lack of imagination as I recall. For all the good they did after the 9/11 wake up call, Americans have largely hit the snooze button. Airport security is a joke. We have airbags that deploy within nanoseconds or so of a car wreck, it would seem as though if the plane's computer is sensing impact, we could have a black box (multiple boxes for data and voice--why not???) that ejects upon impact or impact conditions. Air freight is largely not inspected. We should only allow foreign flights to come into select airports so if Flight 1777 from Tehran approaching Atlanta veers off course and heads for Cape Caneveral, Fort Knox, or other strategic assets; we can identify a hijacking more quickly. I also feel that we should have armed federal marshalls (plural) on every flight over 1,000 miles. Overkill? Perhaps. The Captain will know how many are on board but nothing else. I'm sure we will have wasted tons of money but that is price of constant vigilance.
     
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    So they claim but there's no detailed official FBI report from their PENTTBOM investigation. So all we are left with is to accept their claim on faith.

    That's correct but unfortunately, the FBI hid over 80,000 pages of documents and lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress when they told them they gave them everything. As for the NTSB, the FBI took over their investigation and released no official report. What they did do is deny FOIA requests for detailed information under false pretenses.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ng-80-000-secret-files-on-the-saudis-and-9-11

    Sure you are, you posted from the 9/11 Commission Report yourself. The 9/11 Commission's claim as published in the 9/11 Commission Report (Our mandate was sweeping. The law directed us to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001) leaves no room for any failure to investigate 9/11 in the broadest sense possible. It was the 9/11 Commission's responsibility to use whatever expertise available to conduct a comprehensive forensic criminal and scientific investigation into all aspects of 9/11. They failed miserably as you well know and agree:

    25. The 9/11 Commission failed to investigate key events and issues, such as the destruction of WTC7 (unmentioned) and the financing of 9/11, deeming it of "little practical significance" (in direct contradiction to all criminal investigation standards).

    Post #195 - http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mission-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/

    Constant vigilance includes holding the government's feet to the fire and not defending everything it does 24/7.
     
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    Not only that but if you're an insurance company, willful destruction is paid out (or not) at a much lower rate than a Terrorist Attack.
    Doubtful that if there was any remote inkling of a conspiracy that insurance companies would not be all over it. That they are not..tells you all you need to really know about the chances of a conspiracy occurring on that day.
     
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    No insurance company investigated 9/11 and none had any access to any information that was publicly unavailable. They strictly relied on publicly available official reports, so what the insurance companies tell us is absolutely nothing. Outside of that, there were at least 2 independent studies, both relying on publicly available (read LIMITED US government published) data.

    Discussion on Weidlinger Report:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ow-wtc-7-could-collapes-by-fire-alone.482938/

    Discussion on ARUP:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/tony-szamboti-discusses-his-wtc7-discovery.456693/

    What the US government tells us is an incredible amount revealing corruption, fraud and an outright scam.
     
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    If there was any wind of fraud, the companies could have refused to pay out the millions of dollars. There wasn’t then and there isn’t now.
     
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    None of the insurance companies investigated the US government for their fraudulent reports.

    No criminal investigation into the 9/11 Commission and NIST was ever conducted. The fraud perpetrated by both is well documented. If you agree to all 29 facts I posted (and you do by your failure to challenge even one of them), you're contradicting yourself by the above claim.
     
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    The popular version of the quote is: "Eternal vigilance is price of liberty" - attributed to John Philpot Curran or Thomas Jefferson (both are in dispute). So what happened to that or is vigilance strictly about money for you?

    You rail on about the 9/11 Commission relying on the FBI and the NTSB and insurance companies settling any possible conspiracy issue because they handed out a bigger insurance settlement but nothing about all the irrefutable facts you agree with that expose the 9/11 Commission and their report as a complete fraud. Is the meaning of vigilance for you strictly about defending the US government from scrutiny and all those who criticize it?

    Just a rhetorical commentary on hypocrisy, no answer is required.
     

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