Once again, not one of the 3 buildings, never mind all 3 on the same day, "collapsed" globally in seconds as a result of fire/planes/damage or any combination no matter what the core and the building were made of and that is the truth. So IMO, the core argument is mostly irrelevant.
The 3,000 lives that were taken related to the event where the structural element of the core was made secret.
I'm willing to make that assumption, but what does it prove? What does it matter what happened to the cast concrete? The destruction was total, and not consistent with office fires burning on 8 or 10 floors. Cast or otherwise, concrete was pulverized and calcined.
The cast concrete can only be reduced to its particulate components by a very specific event involving high explosives, and it was. Therein is the basis for a COMPLETE investigation. Getting the WTC civic center documents back is the beginning. http://algoxy.com/psych/guiliani.wtc.documents.html
The basis for a legitimate and complete investigation is the fact that no such thing was ever conducted and that the ones officially purported to be investigations were in fact criminally fraudulent. A legitimate investigation begins with selecting an unbiased team of experts, gathering ALL documents (including the WTC civic center documents, all "classified" documents, the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST and FEMA reports, everything from the FBI's PENTTBOM "investigation", FAA documents including the parts logs for the alleged 4 planes, etc.), known facts, evidence (including of course whatever remains are available from the 3 towers and the alleged recovered debris) all eyewitnesses and all documented eyewitness accounts (in case some of these eyewitnesses are no longer alive or any eyewitness has changed his/her account), formulating an investigative protocol that includes settled universally accepted standards and much more. It would require total independence (especially from political influence), subpoena and enforcement powers and selective immunity for some key eyewitnesses, among other things. It would be costly, but a hell of a lot cheaper than the perpetual war on terror, it would take years (maybe even be permanent as recommended by the 9/11 Commission) and may require additional experts as needed. I'm sure there's plenty more but I'm not a professional investigator so whatever I missed will have to be filled in by those who are. I would also add that a separate but cooperative criminal investigation be conducted into the FEMA, 9/11 Commission, NIST, FBI and FAA "investigations". Investigate the 9/11 investigators.
That fact and many others require that "high explosive" device be nuclear devices. There will be no more investigation, that is how the government rolls. Cover up and deception all the way.
True, but if that truth was enough then the investigation would have been done. The fact of the concrete core can make people realize that what was done was grossly corrupted because it used the wrong core design.
There was no radio carbon 60 in the steel which absorbs the radiation heavily. A nuclear explosion cannot be delayed. And we see then hear dozens of delays. [video]http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4[/video]
There's no truth that will force a real investigation, much less the structure of the core, no matter how much they lied. There are many that believe the 3 towers were CD'd, it doesn't help force a legitimate investigation.
You seem to be disregarding that you do not know how the public will react to knowing NIST did not know the true structural core and was misinformed about it. Fortune telling on that one is not likely to account for the last straw loaded onto the camel.
People know more about NIST's deception with regard to WTC7 than they know about the twin towers' core structure and that knowledge doesn't do squat. Why would you believe any other lie would have a significant effect? That may be but the logic holds that through all these massive deceptions that many know about and nothing has been done, nothing is likely to change with one more publicly exposed deception. Once the 28 classified pages were declassified was there a call for an investigation into the Saudi 9/11 connection? It isn't rocket science, just plain common sense. You're way too optimistic with regard to your core obsession. I'm not saying keep quiet about it, I'm just saying it doesn't mean a whole lot in the scheme of things, even if it's 100% true and publicly exposed.
In the 50+ years of research and development in nuclear technology and weapons, great strides have been made, no doubt. If you are considering the nuclear footprint of the WTC event through a 1944 lens, you are making a big mistake. If all the steel was shipped off so quickly, as it was, how do you know about radio carbon 60, and does it really matter? There are so many other indicators of a nuclear event.
No! Have you ever seen data on the steel and concrete on every level of the Twin Towers that you thought was accurate? psik
That is so obvious I am not even going to bother mentioning it all of the time. Something in each level had to be strong enough to support the weight above. Everybody knows that most of the insides of buildings is empty space. The core was interlaced with horizontal beams, so just talking about floors is nonsense. psik
The engineers who are NOT of A&E9-11 will start up complaining. AE does not have enough substance of wrongdoing in the realm of engineering to currently interest them .
I seriously doubt that most legitimate engineers who have investigated 9/11 don't know the NIST 9/11 investigation was a scam or at the very least, grossly incompetent. Even one OCT lover in this forum believes NIST's investigation was faulty. In fact there are no less than 2 mainstream engineering entities that, although they will not go so far as to say NIST was a scam, totally disagree with their "probable collapse initiation" theory for WTC7. Other independent engineers will not form an opinion for fear of their careers. The most vocal experts at AE911T are retired. Whether it "interests" other independent engineers or not, the quantity and level of wrongdoing they've exposed is overwhelming. I can't imagine any legitimate expert reading through this and believing there was no wrongdoing: http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html
Probably. But what I'm suggesting is that the scam be exposed by public opinion with regard to the specific misinformation of the core structure, relieving the engineers of that scrutiny. They can take a confirming position rather than one of initial exposure. This has been my strategy all along but the massive, unreasonable gatekeeping by coordinated agents on the obvious facts of evidence for concrete and lack of it for steel, keeps the fear factor high. This serves keeping methods of mass murder and treason secret. The association with junk science marginalizes the rest of their work so badly no other engineers will even consider their other product, which is largely based in the misinfo or related to the misinfo of the steel framed core. AE 's own incompetence with assimilation of evidence renders them ineffective. LOL, they missed the 1,300' concrete tube but had no problem seeing the nano particles.
I understand what you're suggesting but many have already suggested the scam be exposed in many other much more well known and obvious ways and it hasn't had any effect at all. Nonsense, the number of petition signers at AE911T continues to grow almost daily. Again, no one that I'm aware is obsessed with the core issue as you are. Sorry, I don't see it that way at all. Many experts at AE911T and others not associated with them have helped expose NIST's scam in technical detail and perhaps it's not 100% accurate (nothing is when it comes to 9/11), but it's more than enough detail that makes a lot of sense. It isn't just a couple of experts, it's many hundreds of verifiable credentialed experts. You're doing the same thing as the OCT defenders, accusing all these people of incompetence when you have no standing to do so because you're obsessed with your core structure theory and you want everyone to be on the same page as you.
Again, nukes cannot be delayed. Video with audible delays, (measured at 300 ms). http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4 We see and hear dozens of delayed detonations. These are contained detonations with a rumbling quality instead of a sharp crack. A nuke would throw EVERYTHING outwards, and it would have to be perfectly centered to have the symmetry we see. My knowledge of cobalt 60 Comes from Dr. Ron Larson, Ph.d who discussed nukes with a man named Green in around 2005. He was employed by the NRC for decades. There were measurements taken of steel from GZ shortly after 9/11 looking for cobalt 60 which is radically absorbed by steel. None found.
I have, quite often. http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html
Is this the list? Shear Ignorance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQI6gOw9y-c NIST and WTC7 The Expanding Lie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALvTbskML0E Tangled Webs NIST and WTC7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QufHsr7MY_s NIST and WTC7 maladmiNISTration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyRjm6JeHDU WTC7 - The Stiffener Plates Explained - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz7v8EgCzJM A technical article called MaladmiNISTration - http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...istration.html A letter from Dr. William F. Pepper which includes a detailed technical discussion - http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...tterPepper.pdf Seeing as there are no plans of the steel exterior, or the concrete core, or the fictitious steel framed core. Legitimate engineers will not have anything to do with that kind of stuff. Notice NIST only mentions plans on three pages. This is UNHEARD OF in a supposed collapse killing thousands. First we have a serious law enforcement problem that simply turns into treason. Engineers cannot deal with that. They can deal with the fact of a serious misrepresentation of a major part of the structure as an ethics problem in analysis, but the public will have to give them a reason. If we are all confused and distracted by gatekeeping concealing facts about such a misrepresentation, that's our problem.
That's just the beginning, read the rest of the thread, there's much more and even more that isn't in the thread. I don't know what "stuff" you're referring to. If it's the contents of the above, it was exposed by legitimate engineers and many other legitimate experts. If you mean something else, please clarify. The above is about WTC7 if you actually went through the contents or even noticed the titles of the videos, it doesn't sound like you did, not about the twin towers. There's more within the thread that refers to NIST's "investigation" into the twin tower collapses but it's rather short. They never actually investigated the collapses or pretended to, they admitted that they didn't in a footnote, the closest they came was by just claiming the collapses were inevitable without actually providing any support for their claim. That's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to NIST's fake investigation.
Sorry, I'm not much into sifting those kinds of things, particularly from videos, basically that is "stuff". If you have a list of issues that are specific relating to the Twin Towers engineering analysis, I would like to see an actual list of bonafide engineering items. I only do what I know, and do not delve into the various products of people who "investigate" or "report" on the towers. For good reason, they do not even know how the structural core was designed and built. Not to mention, that not one can show an image from 9/11 of the core they think existed in the center of the towers.
