911 World Trade Center Tower "Collapse", a new "Demolition" Euphemism!

lets have a very serious discussion about demolition versus collapse.

this does not look like fire and jet fuel.



Does this look like a fire from jet fuel to anyone else?

Explain and provide citations to prove it really is jet fuel that we are observing above.

Appears to be a lot of em disturbance in the picture quality but its still pretty good.

 

That photo is the office fire that was ignited by jet fuel across multiple floors all at once. It also seems to be just at the initiation of the collapse.

What exactly do you think a 'jet fuel fire' should look like?

 

it looks like what you posted which does NOT look even remotely close to the fire in the pic in the OP.
[the word "fire" extremely loosely used]

I cant imagine why I would need to explain something as elementary as the difference between brilliant white and orange "fire" or burning of some sort.

it is following the iron to the ground NOT only from the initiation but all the way down throughout the whole demolition.

some metal bursts into flames after it is ejected.

some columns are severed on the way down.

huge bursts of white brilliant "stuff" billowing from critical points.

the picture is seriously disturbed by em interference.

your post dodged all the pertinent issues and have another incredible fail.

 

DERP! Of course not. WEhy would anyone think it was a jet fuel fire? The jet fuel had long since burned away, leaving only hotter-burning Class A fuels to produce the heat to warp the core columns and buckle the floor trusses.

No. The quality is total crap and the format is, for all forensic uses, worthless.

 

huh?

this is nbc

showing the same thing.



they used nbc and other news media in every report made.

oh my bad that is abc

[video=youtube;wT8Cf4HEYLs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8Cf4HEYLs[/video]


HUGE billowing brilliant white flames out the left side on the maintenance floor no less.

the same falling metal seen in the OP on nbc




just look at that!

the whole top of wtc 2 looks like a tank shot the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the columns and it was tipped over the side with nothing to hit or hit it on the way down. It didnt even get 30 stories before it was turned to spaghetti.

and we have those white hot metal that defies gravity!

Its going the wrong way!

So its good enough for NIST and the commission why is it not good enough for you?

 

Derailing your own topic?

The OP asked if the fire looks like jet fuel. Lefty answered that the jet fuel had long since burned away, so why should it? Now you toss up low quality gifs again for no apparent reason.

If you have a claim to make, then make it.

 

hardly, setting the stage for it.

leftys answer is insufficient and fails to address the pertinent issues like yours.

would you prefer it shifted to how you seem incapable of distinguishing the color white from the color orange?

neither did any of you explain how a class A fuel would get lodged in between the column connections.

or how they would follow and sever columns mid air, or how they would burst out of the side of the building 30+ stories ahead of the demolished zone, or how it disintegrated the top of wtc2 before it feel 30 stories.

You dont understand what claims have been made?

 

You aren't going to make a claim.

 

the color of smoke is telling what is happening..white is from steam when water is put on a fire,,water expands to 1500 times its volume..black is from fuel..brown is from materials like wood paper..black also could from plastics carpet with polyester in them..if you wanted to blow up a tower why would anyone blow up the 89 floor first? just take out the base floors 1 thru 5 and the tower falls quicker...

 

these photos are of debris from collapsing floors that were not burned..they are the floors below the fire since fire travels upwards..the dust debris would smother out the fire since not enough oxygen would be sustained to keep the fire burning...

 

Wow not even a remote understanding of what you are looking at LOL

Sorry, Nothing can be said, since the mods limit the proper and appropriate pejorative to respond your post.

Suffice to say your post is nothing more than gooblety gook and that is a stretch to the high side.

hint: look at where the part is located you refer to.

 

Looks like an office fire collapse. No need for controlled demolition when 500,000 ton of building is being pulled down by gravity.

 

I'm actually surprised and glad to see this post of yours which reflects thoughtfulness and intelligence.

Iron and steel weaken when subjected to prolonged periods of high enough heat and when weakened enough it will not support the same loads they would at normal ambient temperatures.

When that happens the building will collapse under it's own weight.

 

sorry if you dont understand i tried to put it in the simplest terms for you..you should read some fire science technology books..you can get them at your local college bookstores..but color of smoke is very important...you do understand that i hope?

 

the problem is that I do understand and your terms are incorrect. You left me no choice but to conclude you do not know what you are looking at.

since your terms are incorrect if you wish to put up a picture pointing out what you are talking about with "specificity" I will continue to entertain your posts otherwise I am very sorry but you make no sense.

In so far as the color of smoke is concerned yeh, its white, at least the smoke I am talking about as well as the fires I am talking about are white.

 

yes everyone knows that, the problem comes down to you have given us nothing to show how much heat was where and for how long. LOL

another red herring PLONK since it does not address anything in the OP or accessory posts.

 

yet another ZERO value post that does not address the issues.

 

if you look at the photo in the op you see white smoke..that was from water on the fire..but as the building collapses you see that cloud of dark material that is the dust for crumbing drywall and the concrete floor...i am only talking about the photo in the op..

 

The pieces of metal, apparently defying gravity and trailing white "smoke" are actually pieces of aluminum cladding falling with entrained gypsum dust and behaving as one would expect a large, wing-like object with little weight to surface area falling through turbulent air.

Had you taken enough art classes to properly understand the concept of "value," you would also notice that, rather than emitting light, these objects have fallen outside the shadow of the buildings surrournding them and were reflecting bright sunshine. THere are small sparkly and apparently molten objects falling directly down the facade of the building in one of your crappy gifs. This is just more of whatever that molten metal, probably a combination of aluminum from the aircraft and lead and copper from the storage batteries, was that poured out of that corner prior to collapse.

You basicly bring sod all to the table here.

 

whatever happened to patriot poster?

He was the only poster I have seen up to now that could post so much bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on one short post as the one above.

I feel like a damn school teacher correcting papers of students that did not do their homework.

the pieces ALL can be seen to have thickness, therefore are not cladding but parts of columns.

your pretense that what we see are not columns.

you have the molten part correct, and that is where it ends. Not small, there are HUGE sparklies.

if you care to actually look you will see this happens all over the building within seconds, as it was falling, hence that alleged plane, those alleged batteries and copper must have really gotten around the building and travelled down several floors and on several sides all nearly the same time since its coming from the sides, that side"S" plural and the corners as in corner"S" plural.

Do you realize how ridiculous that old talking point script is now that we have the foia releases? LMAO

Finally the sun runs nearly parallel or axially to the gif side posted so there is not a "coming into the sun", its already in the sun, (about 15% off axis) which can easily be seen by the youtube clip as his camera is pointing into the sun and he is on the shade side, NOT the same side the gif was made, the gif was filmed on the sun side. LMAO It can also be seen on many other collapse videos. another red herring.

there is also that little problem of certain pieces accelerating faster than gravity is acting on adjacent debris, that apparently you also failed to notice, which is a sin for anyone claiming to have the experience you claim to have.

talk about another total loser ZERO post, especially when troughers gripe about tv new footage that was the same as used in the government forensic analysis!

Again like an earlier poster, Nothing to comment on since you have not made a bonafide argument to the contrary.

 

You shouldn't. You are outside your area of adequacy. You have shown no knowledge of fire science or the construction trades or even drawing.

No, they cannot be shown to be any thicker than the cladding, and they are too light to be columns.

What EVAH! They are still from the area of the battery banks.

The dust plume casts a shadow. Learn how light works. another red herring.

I have not seen evidence of anything larger than a standard Scott Air Pack bottle or fire extinguisher moving faster than the normal acceleration of gravity.

You chopped stuff up and reduced the quality of resolution and lost the full context of the motion by leaving out steps.

No judge with an IQ adequate for the job would allow this sort of crap in a court room.

 

well actually only a judge with a high iq would.

Here you go another try to help the blind see. Its my civic duty.

see its in this nice big clear picture






I suppose you think those are batteries and steam pipes and copper wire and aluminum from the aircraft and lead and transformers.

just look how that pup speeds past all the other debris and bursts into flames then bigger flames then yet bigger flames and if that aint bad enough still yet bigger flames!

the one that is falling horizontally is disintegrating before our eyes.

How the hell did you guys let that clip slip out into the public domain anyway? major (*)(*)(*)(*) up.




old wile e would be proud to own a rocket like that!

 

What the hell are you talking about? I see nothing in that gif remotely resembling a rocket. You seem to know how to turn perfectly good video into useless gifs, maybe you can do a screen cap of a rocket in there somewhere.

 

sux for you when your script stops working and all you can do is dodge the issues.

 

Not going to get away with that. I see no rocket. Nobody with common sense sees a rocket. Unless you show me a still with a picture of a rocket, I must conclude that you are imagining things again.