A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

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  1. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Boy are you sloopy with the quotes.

    No sport I asked you to cite THE LAW that supports you not give your worthless opinion on their actions. What a shocker once again you ran away from citing their actions on video with the specific law that was broken despite multiple challenges for you to do so.

    If this is what you call a drubbing its laughable. You can't even answer the questions I posed. All you can do is give a worthless opinion on the actions without the video or law to support you.

    #1 You cannot chase someone who is running towards you. Go ahead, deny that's what the video shows

    #2 They made no attempt to seize or detain him on video. You just made that up like most of your claims.

    #3 You can't cite what part of the assault law or self defense law supports you with the video.

    This is too easy.

    Not a crime.

    Cite the specific law of assault they broke. This is where you run again.

    You can't even name what part of the law you can cite that defines their actions in the video as aggressors. You've got nothing but you opinion unsupported by any law you quote because you never do it.

    LOL I could care less about the DA. This is about the law and what it says and you've proven once again you cannot actually quote the law and cite the video to support what part of the law they broke.

    I'll quote the law again where your criminal broke it with his actions:


    Justifiable Use of Force




      • You can use force when you reasonably believe that the force is necessary in order to protect yourself or a third party against another person's imminent use of unlawful force.
      • The scope of the force that you can use depends on whether you reasonably believe that the type of force is necessary to defend yourself or a third party.
      • You may use deadly force only if you reasonably believe that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to you, or to another, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
    When the Use of Deadly Force is Not Justified




      • If you're the initial aggressor
    No action was taken against Arbery anywhere in that video that can be defined for him to be in fear of his life and you prove that by running from it every time I challenge you to show us in the video where that happened.

    Unlike myself where I can point to Arbery turning to McMichaels with multiple avenues of direction to continue unabated, with no one moving towards him or even attempting to detain him with no weapons pointing at him, attacked McMichaels which makes your criminal the initial aggressor. You lose. Again :)
     
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    If I witness you speeding after previously seeing you before doing a 100mph on a residential street and that's a felony do you feel it would be legal to chase you down, block the road after calling the police while legally brandishing a weapon and then you get shot after you attack me and try to take the weapon from me?
     
  3. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    For starters, Abery was committing no offense in the presence of the McMichael's, nor did the McMichael's have any knowledge (immediate or otherwise) that he had. General suspicion is not a valid reason for a citizen's arrest.

    Secondly, a felony is determined by the authorities, and "escaping" refers to an escape from the AUTHORITIES. There was no REASONABLE grounds for the McMichael's to suspect such, as there were no APB's for that area at that time for anyone fitting Abery's description.
     
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    Previous encounters how many times does that have to be repeated.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No it doesn't and yes they were as has been repeatedly cited. He was ILLEGALLY in the house.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you block the road in front of my vehicle and I can see a weapon and I have no means escape I will run you over. If I am not in a vehicle I will shoot you.

    No citizen should have the right to attempt to detain another unless they are a direct harm to someone.

    Now feel free to answer my question.
     
  7. After-Hour Prowler

    After-Hour Prowler Well-Known Member

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    The father and son were arrested & held without bail.

    What else do you want?

    We know the left will not settle for anything other than murder1 & they just may walk on murder1 because the victim charged the guy with the gun.

    Settle for manslaughter & take the win.
     
  8. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    Not if the owner says he cannot be there.

    In this instance there has to be a complaint.


    I can live with that. Drejka got 20 years for his manslaughter conviction.

    Cant ever own a gun again.
    Can’t vote
    Job prospect. poof


    Yep that’s a definite win.
     
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  9. Reality

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    I've already answered this numerous times.

    1) By Greg's admission he is the initial aggressor: he arms up and chases Arbery with the stated intent of seizing him of his liberty. Normally, this would constitute aggravated assault. It only doesn't if Greg can claim Citizen's Arrest.
    2) Greg can't claim Citizen's Arrest because he didn't witness or have immediate knowledge of Arbery committing a misdemeanor or felony presently that he was at the time fleeing. Instead, Greg claims his cause comes from recognizing Arbery on tapes showing activity months prior. Because these activities are not current, and because Greg has no additional facts to show he could reasonably and probably suspect that Arbery was at the time encountered committing a felony or fleeing his contemporaneous commission of a felony, he won't be able to shelter under the law.
    3) The only other way he could claim self defense was if Arbery had Travis and Greg (since they operated as a party here) at his mercy and then began to act not from a necessary and reasonable force in self defense motive but crossed into the territory of assault himself. You can find an example of this in the Zimmerman case. There, Zimmerman was the initial aggressor but Martin beat his ass so adroitly that Zimmerman's assault was over and he was presenting no further threat yet Martin didn't cease his use of force when it became no longer reasonable, going so far as to cause multiple contusions and a skull fracture. Because Zimmerman's assault was ceased by Martins proper application of reasonable force in self defense, when Martin continued to use force after that point he began an assault against Zimmerman. Because of the severity of injury he was dealing and likely to deal in a ground and pound like that, Zimmerman was then justified in using deadly force.

    Its really not that complicated if you don't have a racial dog in the fight.
     
  10. HurricaneDitka

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    I don't feel any particular need to try to "paint" Arbery in any light. He had a criminal history. That's a fact. You seemed unaware of that, so I tried to enlighten you on that point. If you want to know more particulars about it, feel free to investigate it further.


    I'm not sure if William Bryan was driving a truck or another type of vehicle. There was only one shotgun involved, so your use of the plural noun appears misplaced to me. As to your question: I don't know what he thought. Is it possible? Yeah, I suppose. Is that enough to justify his attack on Travis? I don't know. A jury will decide. In my eyes, his subsequent actions: fleeing the scene, the pursuit, and the attack on Travis McMichael are all colored by his intrusions into the English house - that day, a couple of weeks prior, and several other times over the preceding months.
     
  11. Reality

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    What do you mean what else do I want? Again: I don't want anything, I have no ability to effect the outcome, I'm merely observing and analyzing it for my own enjoyment. Same with correcting mistaken laypersons: I do it because I enjoy it.

    I would expect them to go to trial, have due process, and likely be convicted by a jury of their peers if the facts as they stand are correct.

    Odd, because what they're charged with is under section c of the Georgia code's catch all murder statute: Death resulting from the commission of a felony, irrespective of malice. They're not charged with intentional murder and they don't need to be, nor will the charges change from the information that's already been filed by the DA.

    If they agree to a plea I'm sure that's on the table. They'd have to PLEAD OUT though.
     
  12. Yulee

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    I still have yet to see you post his convictions. With diversions it’s quite possible he had no record. Prove me wrong.

    You can’t prove he was “fleeing” from a scene but the prosecutor has a 4 minute video of feeling for his life.
     
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  13. Reasonablerob

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    Yes, very likely, the case against dad is extremely flimsy, he may walk whether its' murder and manslaughter, the son will probably do some time just to please the mob but he has plenty of grounds to appeal .
     
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    Burglary requires intent to commit a felony therein. What felony was he there to commit and what specific facts known to greg at the time he gave chase, lead to to that being a reasonable and probable suspicion? Additionally: When was this alleged felony committed?

    Greg tells the police he's standing in his front yard, not that he was summoned by the neighbor. Odd that no? Perhaps you're getting confused.
     
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    It's interesting that I read today the police have searched the men's homes. I wonder what for? What possible evidence could they be searching for? Perhaps trying to find some evidence of racist motivation? Smacks of desperation.
     
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    But briefed on the previous burglary?
     
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    That's not necessarily true. There are mechanisms in many states to have one's Second Amendment rights restored following a felony conviction. In Florida, it requires an application to the Board of Clemency, and I have no idea of Drejka will be interested in pursuing it or have a chance to have it granted. My point is that felony convictions are no longer an absolute bar on gun ownership.
     
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    Not quite: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...called-911-report-black-male-running-shooting

    Given all the evidence, a guy doing his usual jog in the area and stopping to check on an open house construction LIKE OTHER FOLK IN THE AREA is stalked and cornered by two vigilantes, who mysteriously cannot convey to the police if the person they 'suspect' is trespassing or breaking any law. then the man is shot, because he can't run away and sure as hell is not going to have a gun pointed at him....fight or flight, right to confront. The McMichael's were WRONG, and the local law was WRONG …. and they are going to pay.
     
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    I posted two of them in post #4676.
     
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    He got probation for the weapons charge, obstructing police and theft. He's not fleeing for his life, he ran towards these guys.
     
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    In theory this is correct. In reality chances are slim enough that I’m comfortable with saying never.


    He ran towards them for 4 minutes???

    Right.

    Maybe if you live in Froopyland.
     
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    No but he did run towards them, you can admit that?
     
  24. Yulee

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    After they sped in front of him in attempt to block him?

    All I can say is GBI has seen the whole video. You and I haven’t. They made an arrest based on the whole video. Not the 30 second clip the dumbass father thought would exonerate him.

    I laugh at their incompetence.
     
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    They chased him down, blocked the road and demanded he submit to their unlawful stop while flashing weapons. Can you admit that?
     

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