A 3-year-old boy was killed after a barrage of gunfire was aimed at a home in Charlotte, North Carol

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  1. dgrichards

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    Actually it's more of a talking point of the gun rights people.
     
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    Ssshhhhh. We are supposed to pretend that doesn’t happen
     
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    No, its not. The only ones that talk about "unlimited gun rights" are those that want to portray gun rights advocates as being the type that want lots of big scary guns, even grenade launchers, nukes etc etc. No gun rights advocate wants felons to have guns while incarcerated. There are some that advocate for an ex-felon to have their rights restored, provided they have at least served their time, paid their dues, and are considered safe enough to be released back into society. No gun rights advocate will support domestic abusers having guns. No gun rights advocate will support those on the run being allowed to have guns. No gun rights advocate will support a mentally ill person that is a danger to society having a gun. Gun rights advocates have no problem with enhanced penalties for those that use guns in the commission of a crime.

    What gun rights advocates DON'T want is for the government to ban commonly used guns. They DON'T want red flag laws where just the accusation alone can deprive someone of their right to own a gun. They want it proved that they should not be allowed to own a gun. In a court of law. Which is how its supposed to be done in the first place. They DON'T want the government to know that they own guns because there is no need for them to know. History has shown that gun registrations eventually end up with guns being confiscated. Most recent of examples being Venezuela. They DON'T want a lot of things that those that want to restrict guns instead of going after the root causes want. Because it does nothing to solve any actual problems and are useless to actually stop what they claim it will stop.

    The end goal of those that don't like guns is to get them completely banned. Yeah yeah, they claim otherwise. They claim that if we can just get <insert whatever gun restriction here> passed then it will solve the problem. Then when it passes and the problem persists they advocate for more restrictions. Using the same excuse. And when there is resistance they claim that gun rights advocates "don't care" or "love the idea of killing people" or many other derogatory things and false claims. All to make what is normally a sane person fear guns and fear gun owners. Its essentially a war of attrition. Little bit by little bit. Until they can eventually repeal the 2nd amendment OR (the more likely way) get the courts to re-interpret the 2nd into something along the lines of a community right where it only applies to "well regulated militias".... "well regulated militias" of course meaning completely controlled by the Government, IE: Military. Meaning that they can completely ban guns from anyone not a part of the "well regulated militias". Something btw that Hillary said that she would attempt to do if she was elected in '16. She promised to put judges on the SCOTUS bench that would overturn Heller because she believes that Scalia's interpretation was wrong and would only advance forward judges that approved of her view on Heller.
     
  4. notme

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    There is nothing to be assumed about that the weapons used by thugs, simply got bought by them over the counter in your average store.
    They are bought by law abiding citizens, who then either carelessly sell them to thugs or thugs steal them when the owner is careless.
    Most guns used by drug gangs in Latin America, are from the USA....
    and the only people who can buy them legally are law abiding good citizens.
    So there is a connection between them and thugs.

    There is an idea. Cops check if a person is DUI, and do something about it. They don't check on citizens to who they sold their guns to, or how they simply got stolen when just lying around the house.... and do something about it.
     
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    So, because of gun violence in an inner-city hellhole; I, in the Appalachian mountains, must give up my firearms? Go pound sand, never!

    No amount of liberal crying and belly-aching will change my view. Fix the cities you destroyed.
     
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    I guess that kills your theory of good guys providing bad guys with guns, huh
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    Is it? They can just sell them on the internet. lol
     
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    I know of noone that would do that.
    And its notme that got caught doing something like that
    nite nite
     
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    It's called "private sale".
    good night.
     
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    Nobody sells their registered gun to someone without a legal transfer. Unless they want to be attached to everything that gun is involved in for life.
    The largest percentage of illegal guns are stolen, no sold.
     
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    Nobody? In the case of Kyle,... he bought it from a some person, who is in trouble for just selling that gun to a minor. It's a felony. And he KNEW it was a crime and did it anyways.
     
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    This is a problem of, for, and by inner-city ghetto thug and gang culture, not "gun nuts".
     
  13. Condor060

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    And he will pay for such crime. But it doesn't change the statistics. Does it. Nobody I have ever known in the history of my life would even consider selling me a gun without a proper transfer. If you are dumb enough to buy a registered gun in your name and sell it on the street, you are too dumb to own one.
     
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    Your personal experiences do not count. That's like on par of reading something your uncle liked on facebook.
     
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    How many cars have you purchased in your lifetime without a title transfer?
    Are you saying you would buy a gun from someone you don't know without a transfer? Is that what you're claiming?
    Would you sell someone a gun registered in your name without a transfer?

    If you wouldn't do it, did you think you were the smartest person on the planet or would you think its just a common sense issue?

    Most people don't commit felonies. Selling or buying a gun without proper registration is a felony.

    Can you even answer those questions? Or did you need a Facebook poll to answer those for you?
     
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    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...eral registration,must be registered with ATF.
    There is no Federal registration requirement for most conventional sporting firearms. / Firearms owners are encouraged to maintain personal records of their firearms to aid in recovery or investigation by State or local law enforcement agencies in the event a privately-owned firearm is stolen or lost.

    https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/registration-licensing/
    There is no universal, national gun registry or federal license required to own a gun, and the vast majority of states don’t require registration or licensing.

    Federal law prohibits a universal, national gun registry.[4] Eight states prohibit state-level gun registries. Only Hawaii requires registration of all firearms, while only a few states require registration of certain firearms. Only three states (Ill., Mass., and N.J.) require a license for all guns. New York requires a license for handguns.
     
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    Like I said its a common sense issue. But you run right out and buy some guns, register them (as federally required upon purchase) and start selling them on the street to gang bangers and felons.
    Let me know how that works out for ya
     
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    It is working out right now in the US. People "accidentally" get their guns stolen. People sell their guns at home..... just like Kyle Rittenhouse.
     
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    Stolen guns far far far exceed illegal sales from registered gun owners and you have nothing you can provide to support your theory.
    Since its a federal felony to sell a gun to a felon, you should have millions upon millions of arrest records to show all these registered gun owners providing their licensed weapon to felons.
    I'll wait while you dig that up
     
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    Police want the parents to get more involved? Why? Simple fix. Just declare both the shooter and the victims as oppressed from white privilege and call it the day.

    Problem solved.
     
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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/where-do-criminals-get-guns

    Is it?

    43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market,
    6 percent acquired them via theft,
    10 percent made a retail purchase
    0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show.
    11 percent of cases, the criminal had someone else buy a gun for them – known as a straw purchase – while an additional
    15 percent got guns from a friend or relative.
    12 percent of weapons found on a crime scene had been brought there by someone else.
     
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    Your link'
    “The majority of firearms used in criminal activity are obtained illegally,” said David Chianese, a correspondent at Law Enforcement Today, published author and former NYPD detective. “Stricter or additional gun laws do not reduce gun violence.

    Exactly what I said
     
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    The sale to Kyle was also an illegal sale. And I told you this happens all the time.
     
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    You holler about someone using personal experiences, no doubt because you consider it anecdotal, and then turn around and use a single instance as an example.... Do you not see the contradiction?
     
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    I actually sourced that illegal sale is the most common thing how a thug get's it's weapon. Kyle is just an example.
     

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