A 50-Year Occupation: Israel’s Six-Day War Started With a Lie

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  1. Horhey

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    Scholar Norman Finkelstein explains why the U.S.-supported "peace process" was never meant to end the Israeli occupation, as well as the of history of U.S. and Israeli interests in the region. Defeating secular Arab nationalism by empowering local reactionary elements, maintaining hegemony, and so on:
    In February 2010, Ehud Barak, Israel's former Prime Minister, said that Israel was on the path to becoming what he called a permanent "apartheid" state:
    And Barak's hands aren't at all clean in this. In Camp David 2000, Shlomo Ben-Amim, Barak's chief negotiator, and President Clinton attempted to get the then-PLO head Yasser Arafat to accept a Bantustan-style settlement of the kind instituted in Apartheid South Africa. Ben-Ami noted:
    A deal that no country would accept. When Arafat turned it down, the U.S. media portrayed it as vindication of Israel's claim that the PLO was opposed to peace.
     
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    "America will no longer try to play policeman of the world. Instead we will expect other nations to provide more cops on the beat in their own neighborhood."

    - U.S. Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird, 1973

    In the words of the leading oil expert in the Senate by Henry Jackson on May 21, 1977:
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, Nassar wasn't at all preparing to invade.

    Seems you can't even understand what an IF statement is, in this case expressed as "as long" . Apparently conditional modifiers are to be totally ignored in your world.

    I suppose I should not be surprised however. As to Arafat's opposition to peace, well, that is well documented and observed in his actions. According to you Arafat wanted to live in peace with the jews - who knew?
     
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    The arabs have always chosen war over peace and it never worked out for them

    They should have agreed to the peaceful solution offered by the UN in 1947
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense. Israel responded to an act of war perpetrated directly against her.
     
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    vanityofvanitys Well-Known Member

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    The only way "your side" will ever prevail in this conflict and debate of ideas is by totally wearing us out with your constant lies and nonsense and selective revisionist history. It is like if we kept trying year after year to get a dog to ride a bicycle. It is we who are stupid ones wasting all of our time and efforts. I give up.
     
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    Six Day War began when the USSR lied to Egypt and told them that Israel had invaded Syria.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously there are those that ignore actual documented history and choose to accept the anti-zionist narrative.

    OTOH, there is no question there is a substantive faction in Israel (current adminstration included) that truly believes in Eretz Yisorel from river to sea.

    This internal political/religious position had been around for some time but was cemented by the forced occupation that became our current reality when the ARAB COUNCIL and all its members refused to even talk to Israel. They were butt hurt by their humiliating defeat and decided to declare NO PEACE, NO RECOGNITION, NO NEGOTIATIONS. Not that Israel is completely innocent, but at least for some of us historical perspective in necessary to understand how we arrived at the clustermuck it is today.
     
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    Israel's mistake in '67 was not either annexing the west bank and gaza outright, and expelling the arabs, or pulling back. But after enduring decades of unrelenting arab muslim attacks, it is understandable they wanted to keep a buffer zone and more land as depth against further arab invasions.

    One must either remember or learn, if they are too young to do so, the climate in the region in the mid 1960s. You had arab leaders of neighboring countries not only funding, driving and engaging in constant attacks against Israel, but declaring openly how they were going to slaughter all of the jews there. Given that a large percentage of Israel had either just come from concentration/death camps in europe, or had been ethnically cleansed/forced out of arab countries under threat of murder, they weren't about to accept being mass murdered again. When your next door neighbor says he is going to push you into the ocean, moves his army to your border, and closes off your access to the sea, after years of engaging in major attacks against you - most rational people are not going to just sit back and be massacred.
     
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    Just before the war, Egypt lined up their military on the Israeli border. Seems pretty threatening to me.
     
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    They then blockaded an Israeli port.
    That's an act of war.
     
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    It's why being the "nice guy" in war often times doesn't work out.

    Unfortunately it works a lot better to "be the bad guy" then pick up the pieces.

    If Israel would have been the bad guy, perhaps by now there would be specific lines drawn in the sand

    But this topic is old and tired, the Anti West people are the funniest. You can see them over in the North Korea posts screaming "NK should attack first because obviously the US is going to invade them with the ships they just sent there".

    Then come to this post and say it is Israels fault.

    Hypocrisy is such a deep river to wade now days
     
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    Look who's talking? Documented history in the op that you're ignoring.
     
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    You mean documented events that you have interpreted to your own designs, right? I notice you have left out any opinion from the other side, shocker....
     
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    THAT is the whole point; had israel done what the arab muslims do/have done - and accuse Israel of doing even though it doesn't - and obliterated them, forcing the survivors out of the west bank/gaza strip, there would be no occupation, and the conflict would look a lot different right now.

    Rest assured though, the arab muslims, their useful idiots/apologists in the West, assorted jew haters, etc would STILL have been screeching against Israel, but Israel wouldn't be occupying anyone.

    Just as this filth railed against Israel for 2 decades before the 1967 war, and before there was an occupation - they do not need an excuse to attack Israel or jews, the so-called occupation merely gives them a fig leaf of legitimacy, which the leftist media can use to push its anti-Israel agenda with.
     
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    Yeah, its war and politics, woulda, shoulda, coulda is always hard and hindsight is always 20/20

    Gotta wonder if Israel took a much more hard line approach would they have the backing of so many Western countries?

    Israel is doing pretty well IMO, I think that a lot of the support for Palestine is starting to subside as terrorism grows more and more in the world.

    Countries are a lot less likely to talk trash on something Israel did when they are so busy dealing with terror in their own country.

    Palestinians either have to chose peace or war, this two pronged attack only created hypocrisies that make it impossible to gain what they want
     
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    The article is carefully documented:
     
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    Yes, it is definitely carefully documented.

    It is like watching the review a football game where your team lost by a touchdown, but the papers the next day only have press for the losing team.

    Their are two sides to every story and you are only telling one of then
     
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    So then do it yourself with your own evidence and stop crying. Back it up or back down.
     
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    Unsupported. Even though Israel admitted to it...sigh. you have watched too much fakenews

    Initially, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces." At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel" .[1]and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt…"[2] At the Security Council meeting of June 5, both Israel and Egypt claimed to be repelling an invasion by the other,[1] and "Israeli officials – Eban and Evron – swore that Egypt had fired first".[3]

    On June 5 Egypt, supported by the USSR, charged Israel with aggression. Israel claimed that Egypt had struck first, telling the council that "in the early hours of this morning Egyptian armoured columns moved in an offensive thrust against Israel’s borders. At the same time Egyptian planes took off from airfields in Sinai and struck out towards Israel. Egyptian artillery in the Gaza strip shelled the Israel villages of Kissufim, Nahal-Oz and Ein Hashelosha..." In fact, this was not the case,[4] The US Office of Current Intelligence "...soon concluded that the Israelis – contrary to their claims – had fired first." [5] and it is now known the war started by a surprise Israeli attack against Egypt's air forces that left its ground troops vulnerable to further Israeli air strikes.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_relating_to_the_Six-Day_War

    They later admitted their own lie claiming that it was a preemptive attack to stop future attacks which was just a nonsensical excuse.

    It's sad that people still believe Israeli's lie to this day even though our intelligence concluded otherwise. And even after Israel itself admitted to it
     
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    IMO that is their exact strategy--and if they fail now, they will try later, when fewer or no witnesses remain alive.
     
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    I agree with you Merwen. Except, they have not failed, they are more than 60% successful working on the mindset in the West. Even those arrogant "smart boy" professors are almost 100% in the tank for Islam good, Israel bad. Crazy is the new norm.
     
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    In response to acts of war perpetrated against it by Egypt, Syria and Jordan.
     
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    Egypt blockaded an Israeli port. Act of war.
    Jordan shelled Israeli towns and cities. Act of war.
     
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    The column of armored vehicles heading toward Israel probably had something to do with the response.
     
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