A brief analysis of WTC 1 : Initial catastrophic failure.

We just might do that sooner than you think.

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We just might do that sooner than you think.

 

I hear Kansas City Chief fans saying the same thing

 

There is quite a difference between a football game and mass murder along with conspiracy to cover up mass murder after the fact. Don't ya know?

 

Sure do! The main and most glaring difference is football games actually take place. 12 years and the truth movement has yet to provide a single piece of credible evidence. Not one. You didn't know?

 

And you have nothing going for you except mass ignorance and a lying media.

I'm not saying that isn't a LOT. In fact it's plenty. It just isn't the unvarnished truth.

And what law of the universe are you appealing to which bestows YOUR version of things as "the gospel"?

How about let's let the evidence speak for itself and dispense with your heckling as a substitute for sound argument?

 

Do you not see how they are pushing the factual posts back to where they are less likely to be viewed by anyone who casually clicks on the thread.

That's what they are doing. They do not want the material to be viewed.
If you repost it, they will run to the moderators with their paid subscriptions and demand a penalty.

In the same way they cast insult after insult, distraction after derailment, and then accuse their opponents of the very things they do themselves.

If you hold your breath waiting on these people to be genuine, you will surely turn blue and pass out.

 

Great, we agree. Since 'truthers' have no evidence, they will continue to move nowhere.

 

See the pictures.



Seeing is believing.

But the debunkers demand that you not only deny the testimony of eye witnesses, they want you to disbelieve your own eyes and doubt your own capacity to reason or to make a reasonable and objective judgement.

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As long as you people persist, I admit, it's difficult to get and maintain the attention of all the ADH patients out there.
The Jewish shrinks have diagnosed practically everyone but themselves with some sort of political or social disease.

 

Ooo, it's another conspiracy!

No, everyone is not out to get you. (And there's no paid subscription to this forum) it's just amusing to point out the many falsehoods of the few remaing 'truthers' and their multiple socks. Life is too sweet and too short to live with such paranoia and fear. Lighten up.

 

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked-5/

1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero.
2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation
3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds).
4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games.
5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail”
6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘
7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks.
100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses.
9) 100′s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report.
10) ’5 Dancing Israeli’s’ arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 that stated “We were there to document the event.”
11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. ‘Dov Zakheim’ Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of ‘Systems Planning Corporation’ (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.
12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story.
13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit it”, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners”, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting” Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.” Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.
14) History of American False Flag attacks. ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, ‘OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)’, ’1993 WTC attacks’. ‘Patrick Clawson’. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed “a New Pearl Harbor”,
15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened.
16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania” Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.
17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.
1 The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).
19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.” Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attack”.
20)

The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTS”, ‘WTC power downs’. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com...that-cannot-be-debunked/#sthash.e3VFR2Tk.dpuf

22) “Who killed John O’Neil?”. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com...that-cannot-be-debunked/#sthash.e3VFR2Tk.dpuf

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’ - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com...that-cannot-be-debunked/#sthash.e3VFR2Tk.dpuf

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 highjackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the highjacking code. ‘Alive highjackers’, ‘ACARS’, ‘Pilots for 9/11 Truth’. - See more at: http://www.collective-evolution.com...that-cannot-be-debunked/#sthash.e3VFR2Tk.dpuf

 

Gosh, with all that support and money, why haven't they launched their own? When will they submit their findings?

 

You keep claiming 12 years have passed. NIST did not put out their fraudulent report until 2008, a full seven years after the event, and the Freedom of Information act did not disclose the accurate information about column 79 until last year. The truth movement has only had one year of proof with evidence that can be submitted in a court of law. Now that we have the proof grand juries and trials can move forward.

 

Dont judge me by your pathetic standards. I did actually go and find out why there was so much heat in the debris after the falls. I did go and research why the power poles at the Pentagon behaved the way they did. I worked for a company that specialized in light weight building construction. I even went to the trouble of calculating the weight of the each individual floor in the WTCs.

What actual research have you done besides watching unreferenced youtube vidoes

And all you would have to do is show the maths that prove the buildings could not have come down the way they did. It is telling that sites like Architects for truth never actually show the maths. All they want to do is tell you the fall should not have looked like it did. But they never show what the collapses should have looked like.

Then please feel free to show some. Grainy gifs and poorly constructed guesses just dont cut it. All I ever hear from the truth movement is how the evidence is obvious, how the science does not stack up. But never is it presented how the science is wrong or how the evidence points to anything other than what the vast majority of architects and engineers around the world say happened that day.

 

I do see that. However, every time we bump the thread or start a new one, my hope is that someone new will read what we are saying and see the truth debunkers for who they are.

 

The 9/11 Toronto Report

 

You'll never do it. Never.

 

Yes, we know they got together for a circle jerk in Toronto. When will they submit their petition, author papers, launch an investigation or take it to court?

Ah ... Never.

 

um they have. past tense and ongoing.

Oh yeh, submit your caomplaint to Al Capone that he was a naughty boy. Yeh that works.

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NIST has the monopoly on circle jerks wrapped up.

 

SURE YOU DID! ROTFLMFA

Thats why you cant tell me how much force those poles exerted against the wings! This is over the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing top hilarious, especially since I started a thread specifically about it and where were you!!!!!!!!!!!!! With all yer ciperin!

I have been looking for a pole mower but I cant find one!

 

what a screwed up orwellian way to associate and connect dots...sheesh

Someone talking about a conspiracy like george w bush did with his 19 jihackers does not mean that that he or the user of the term is paranoid, but it does tell us a lot about your personality and your paranoia.

 

Unfortunately for you I do. The poles around the Pentagon are federally mandated design by the FAA. They are designed to collapse under the equivalent force of a VW bug traveling at 20 miles an hour. The particular poles at the Pentagon where designed and fabricated by Union Metal.

 

Do you have a link for this claim? I would suspect that windstorms may cause a stronger force than that from time to time.

 

http://www.extranet.vdot.state.va.us/locdes/electronic_pubs/TEDM/TEDM(PDF)/Section V - Lighting/Sect V - Chap 3/Section V Chap 3.pdf

Basically with in a certain distance from an airport is called a "Clear Zone" and it is mandated that break away bases have to be used. The basic idea being, a plane in trouble hitting of these poles, the pole fails before the planes wing does. As for dealing with the wind, I would surmise they use some sort of tension bolt in the design so the pole has to take a hard whack with g force behind it rather than the steadier pressure you get from wind

 

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Sorry I dont know why that wont work It is a PDF explaining the way the break away bases are designed and the rules for using them. Better news is I did find this for you, which gives an overview of the whole idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frangibility