A Cloud over Trump's Legitimacy

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    A legal investigation of FOREIGN actors in which American names are supposed to be masked to prevent exactly the sort of political witch hunt you want right now. The very fact that they will not release the full transcripts of these supposed acts of collusion and are still doing little more than wolfing about what remain wholly unproven suppositions should tell all you need to know about how good their supposed evidence.
     
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    Imagine if you can, that the shoe was on the other foot.

    Did you listen to what Comey said? It's an active investigation, and Trump absolutely brought this added scrutiny directly into his grill with his idiotic tweets. FFS, he's the President of the United States! He's put himself right in the middle of his own personal circular firing squad with Breitbart in his ear for self-referencing. This is truth stranger than fiction. Can you honestly say that the president ought to be informed by Breitbart rather than the best of the US intelligence system? He has the power of the Oval Office at his finger tips. He spurns that for clickbait conspiracy theory news. Set aside the partisanship and judge the actions on their own merits. I cannot believe you guys are willing to defend this stuff. You honestly see no problem with any of this?
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Corruption is the cause.

    Party affiliation is just coincidence.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    The Democratic party in New York has a 100+ year history of corruption to it's credit. It started before Boss Tweed, continued through John Lindsay and the current jackass in charge has only added suicidal incompetence to the mix with little in the way of even a slow down. Only under Bloomberg, an independent, and Giuliani a Republican has it even been remotely diminished. Almost all the corrupt machine politicians in our major cities have been Democrats and corruption has followed in the wake of Democratic politicians for generations.
     
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    Yes I listened to what Comey said, They have nothing, no smoking gun, no nothing, only and on going fishing expedition.
     
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    trump has been working overtime for the last year and a half trashing and disrespecting loads of people, as well as many other countries and their policies, in the harshest terms. But I can't remember the Orange Turd aiming a single insult at Putin or Russia. Yet Russia is the one country that has caused America the most problems over the years.

    Do the Russians have something on trump that's horrible enough to make donnie-boy keep his big mouth shut?
     
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    Then there is Nunes.

    Nunes, with big fanfare, on Wednesday hurriedly ran over to the White House to warn the President about something, stopping only to brief reporters and telling them whatever he had didn't involve the Russians.

    We still have no idea what he is talking about.

    Chances are the source of the leaked information Nunes has came from the White House. This is an elaborate and awkward ruse to draw attention away from the central issue. The Russians interfered in our election and there is substantial evidence Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It sure seemed like an incompetently deflection attempt that made Nunes look like a complete idiot. He was used by the administration and he didn't have the juice to pull it off like Spicer does on a daily basis.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well yes, we've all seen that investigations don't necessarily produce proof, particularly republican investigations.

    As for tempest in a teapot - really? Since when is very real possibility of treason a tempest in a teapot?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and here I thought that conspiring with a foreign government to influence a constitutionally mandated election would very much treason. War has nothing to do with it.


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
     
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    This is no different than corruption within the GOP on the local, & national level.
     
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    Russia has caused America the most problems over the years? Really? What evidence do you have? I thought it was the Middle East but I guess Iraq or ISIS never happened for you.

    I still don't see actual evidence of Russia helping Trump and Trump was the better of the two candidates. Hillary lost not because of Russia but because of the blue collar workers and the 10 million democrats who chose not to vote. Russia never forced anybody's hand. You left or unhappy people need to understand Trump won the election fair and square. Hillary was a corrupt lying criminal which is why she lost. This Russia thing is ridiculous.

    Tim Allen says it best about Trump :

    “So the smartest thing about him, which is probably most overlooked, to me, is that he doesn’t owe anybody anything and if he would just stick to fixing the bridges, roads and infrastructures that’s what he knows how to do…just keep him doing that.

    He says a lot of stupid stuff but what he can do, he should do.”

    Trump is not perfect but what he does best like save and create jobs for example he is doing a great job doing just that. So let the guy do what he is great at and watch America become great again.
     
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    list in detail the evidence you have.
     
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    Please. Do you really have to ask. This stuff has been in the news, for decades. Google is your friend. Russia Invaded Hungary, 1956(?) (sure, it was the Soviet Union, but it IS the same country, come on...), invaded Ukraine recently, Cold War for decades, recently flying their jets very close to our planes and ships, recently, in Syria fighting rebels the U.S. is trying to help. There’s plenty more, but surely you know this stuff.
    Almost every problem we have in the Middle East is self-inflicted. George W. Bush (you remember that GIANT screwup don’t you?) started completely UNNECESSARY wars in the Middle East. First invading Iraq, even though they were not involved in attacking the World Trade Center. Then leaving Iraq, to invade Afghanistan (and letting Iraq go to hell). He bumbled and bungled his way through the Middle East throughout his years as president, always making matters WORSE, never better.

    All of the screwups by George W Bush and the GOP in the Middle East created the perfect environment for the rise of ISIS and it’s growth and the world-wide problems they have created. ALL ot the present wars and problems we have in the Middle East had their birth in the George W Bush administration. You can protest and LIE and claim it was not Bush’s fault — but it was his fault. He is to blame for all of the wars in the Middle East and the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed there since the UNNECESSARY invasion of Iraq. Republicans, and especially, trump supporters will whine and moan that it was not the GOP’s fault. BUT... IT... WAS.
    You don’t see any evidence because you refuse to see any evidence. In any case, this is all under investigation by the FBI and others. You should know this, too.
    There’s NO way you can know the election was fair. That’s why the trump/Russia connection is being investigated by the FBI. We absolutely need an independent investigation, since the GOP idiot Nunes compromised the congressional investigation of this matter.
    No one cares what Tim Allen says about anything.
    The Orange Turd hasn’t created any jobs (at, least not yet). But he does have a LONG history of stiffing his suppliers, contractors, workers, and anyone else stupid enough to do business with him. He also screwed a bunch of college students out of their money, remember?
    The only thing Fart-Face is doing is making America HATE again. Hate crimes have increased, racist language use has increased, right and left wingers are at each others’ throats, there are protests in the streets, and the country is more divided than ever. donald trump is a fake and a LIAR. Sadly, you, and many of his other naive and gullible supporters have been easily and completely conned by that cheap, ignorant, racist, incompetent, orange charlatan. Worse yet, you don’t even know it...
     
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    Show me anything Republican that matches or even approaches The Daly Machine in Chicago, or the Pendergast machine in Missouri, or Tammany Hall or any of a dozen others scattered across the country?
     
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    Sorry revealing the truth about a politician is not treason. It is a public service.
     
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    There is no witch hunt. There is exactly the kind of investigation that should be done. when a foreign power intervenes in our electoral process.
     
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    Hey hoser, why do you Canadians feel like you can lecture the US on what is or isn't treason? You progressives are so convinced of your superior intellect. Answer me this. Remember what Sara Palin said in 2008?

    "After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next."

    That's what Palin said. Democrats response was to laugh and make jokes about her. They still refer to her as white trailer-trash

    In 2014, after Russia did invade Ukraine, CNN in talking about Obama's reaction to it said "Obama's current approach does not seem to have changed the Putin dynamic much"

    LOL Now you pretenders act like you've been hardliners against Russia for ages. Give me a break.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow that sure is a pertinent response.

    I guess those global sanctions on russia wasn't hard line enough for you. But no matter, I cannot believe that you are unconcerned with the very real possibility that people in the trump campaign co-ordinated with foreign agents of an long standing adversary in influencing the outcome of the US elections.

    To dismiss this situation with partisan attacks on the past administration and on "progressives" is LUDICROUS.

    Time for a special prosecutor to either clear the smoke and/or put a damn fire out.
     
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    Why would I be concerned about the BS you spew. Why don't go outside and slap around a hockey puck, hoser, or read this:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/2/#358a5fdc37f1
    http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=30137
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh? He DIRECTLY accused his predecessor of the most serious instance of presidential criminality since watergate, called him sick and bad and suggested a witchhunt against him (mccarthism indeed). What a clownish defense that he meant he was somehow surveilled, despite the fact that both the FBI and Justice department have no such evidence of such an illegal activity. IOW, a very serious criminal accusation wasn't true and the semantic argument of "wiretap" means any form of "surveillance" doesn't take away from the criminal accusation, just the method of used in that criminality. Trumpettes will desperately cling to the diversion despite it not changing the issue in the first place.


    The question of TREASON is because Trump's nomination campaign chairman and mastermind, was a known political operative working for the benefit of Russian interests as well as ukrainian political interests. As soon as those revelations became public Manafort was too hot to handle and was summarily booted out the door.
    Meanwhile, there is a pile of admittedly circumstantial evidence that has created a lot of smoke. We have now found out in recent days that there is now substantially more than circumstantial evidence and the counter espionage and criminal investigation is continuing.

    Now
     
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    Hey cheesehead, I believe in letting the chips fall where they may. I wouldn't not be at all surprised that there are democrats that might get swept up in this investigation.
    Russian attempts to influence the election is not in dispute according to the FBI and DHS. confirming evidence of some of the tactics used are apparently in hand.

    I find it absolutely amazing that amongst many trumpettes even that much vaunted murkin patriotism is being superceded by the need to justify their fearless "you'll be so sick of winning" leader..
     
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    The belief you claim to have only allows you to point out possible GOP Russian connections, and allows you to ignore DEMS doing the same thing? Your phony piety is noted. Don't mean to comment on your IQ but are you a blond? ;)
     
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    you said, "Hate."
    How cute.
     

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