A deal between Iran and China shows that 'getting tough' doesn't solve the US's problems

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    Hey Doof.. If you go to NHB tell them Five said Hi.. I am perma banned

    The place is an absolute shithole of RWNJ echo chamber music right now..
     
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    i have learned that you must watch all the news.. What each one of them doesn't discuss is the real news. Fox News should be permanently omitted from broadcasting lies.

    Not a single MSM outlet is touching the importance of this historic deal between China and Iran.. America is gonna be last on the planet in 3 months at the rate we are going..
     
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    Any wondering about ... about the news itself and that lefty and righty BS media doesn't report it?
    Ever since Donald Idiot Trump ruled your country in the white-painted house, he has made the United States an enemy of many in the world ... countries that have never been great friends with the United States, but also countries that have been friends and allies of the United States for decades were.
    That is why there is now a tendency in the world to see you as an enemy or as an enemy ... and therefore it is less and less important what Washington wants.
    First of all, that means that those who have always been more of an enemy, communicate with each other and make friends ... or why should countries like China, Iran, Russia, Venezuela and others care what you think?
    And this also applies to more and more of your previously loyal friends and allies, since Donald Dumbass also attacks them ...

    But so far, many righties in the United States have not yet understood that the times are over when the United States was respected and the United States' will was a major concern. Why? Bush Jr. showed that the United States cannot be trusted ... Obama confirmed this ... and Trump gave final evidence that the United States is no longer trustworthy as a partner, friend and ally.

    America First and rumbling like an elephant in China Shop around in the world against everyone who die snot surrender to your will, results into a "Amarica alone" ...
     
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    I don't watch all the news. I 'watch' only about 20 minutes a day. I read much more than I watch.
     
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    Some doctors think the

    Trump has all the numbers now.. Guess what.. Cases have leveled off at 75K a day.. Do I believe it?? Not Really. In Fauci We Trust. In Trump?? Not so much.

    TRUMP DISMANTLED THE CDC IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!!!!![/QUOTE]
    China is going to consume Iran like it has consumed a few African countries.
     
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    I gave their forum a chance, but there was not a single discussion worth having. I have never gone back.

    Consider the environmental damage outsourcing to China causes. The contamination doesn't stay there.
     
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    Trump has rolled back environmental regs.. A plant blew up in my town last month.
     
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    China is going to consume Iran like it has consumed a few African countries.[/QUOTE]


    Whatever that means.. Bezos and Musk are going to space and the meek will inherit the earth. Pardon the botched edit
     
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    Thanks for bringing perspective from beyond the border..

    The consulate in Texas was set up after the Chinese leader visited Houston with Nixon I believe... Evidently there is footage of him riding horses and wearing a cowboy hat.

    The demonization of China is unfounded from my perspective.. Every time they call it the China virus it is an insult to the knowledge I gained in 7th grade Biology. The man SUCKS at his job. At a time when the whole planet needs to work together, Trump gwts out of WHO and even dismantles the CDC.. In the midst of a Pandemic.. Now his doctor believes there is alien DNA and Demon Sperm.. She said on TV a cure for COVID 19 exists, but the reptilian leaders are conspiring to not give it to us.. Seriously.. Dr. Stella Immanual is a nut job.



    US farmers are going broke. Mexico and Brazil thanks us for giving them our markets for agricultural goods. Yes, we have to throw food away and Mexico sells out now. Trumps trade policies are a disaster.
     
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    Trump causes many explosions, but mostly in the minds of his opposition. The truth is that he can roll back regs to an extreme level and still be better for the environment and sending manufacturing to China.
     
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    Trump is a time bomb ticking

    Delay the election? Send in the facist thugs to conduct elections?

    Joe is already planning to fund as many election monitors as he can
     
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    That is an emotional reply. Both sides are attempting to manipulate the upcoming election to gain an unfair advantage. I have to remind you that your party supports a big power government. I strongly oppose Trumps Federal "thugs" but Dems deserve a taste of what they are pushing. BTW, I will be voting for Jo.
     
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    China is for sure no angel and does no good things which should be aimed in my opinion too.
    Their internal isolation, the preference for their own companies, the spying on by Chinese companies and the state itself (both often inseparable) and illegal copying and all such things are not good things. Also various requirements that China makes to Western companies that produce in China ...
    However, you should approach China together and sensibly and eliminate it with a reasonable deal ... gradually. But Trump also attacked almost all of the important allies at the same time! We remember the punitive tariffs on steel imports from him? The goal was without a doubt above all China ... but at the same time he also kicks and demonizes all Europeans, the Japanese and also the South Koreans in the butt. Then why should they work here with Trump together in matter of China?
    Trump generally shoots one own goal after another for the United States, but many people ind the US don't want to see that! The price of steel had risen sharply after the imposition of punitive tariffs in the USA because one wanted to protect the approximately 45,000 Jos of the US steel industry and possibly "?" Trump wants to create many new jobs.
    Steel prices are currently falling as an effect of Corona because less is needed and therefore it is produced .. but the steel price is still significantly higher in the USA than in the rest of the world. This is a competitive disadvantage for all of the industries in the United States that need steel for their products ... and that ultimately endangers hundreds of thousands of jobs.
    But of course the gentlemen with the "red MAGA cap" do not want to know, do not believe, they deny it with ridiculous statements and in the end it is simply ignored so as not to endanger their belief in their master!

    And as you mention it ... the corona virus is suddenly the China virus! China is demonized nicely and presented as the new realm of evil. It is simply a clever choice of words with which, in the spirit of Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels, one begins to create an enemy ... China virus doesn't sound bad, it says and it also comes from China. Yes, it comes from China, but the name is also about the context in which Trump releases one attack after another towards Beijing!
     
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    Trump's trade and foreign policy has to be some of the worst any American leader has ever produced. American farmers are going bankrupt at light speed. Mexico and Brazil are greatful for the new Chinese markets. We throw food away because it spoils and they have record sales.

    Corporate Joe may get some markets share back.. Biut I think the cat's out of the bag that China has other options. They could strangle us economically. Fortunately that's a non starter because it would wreck the global economy.

    What Country are you in?? I am in Maryland USA and seriously looking at emigration to Canada. I am sick of the right wing nut job nation we have become.
     
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    If Trump really cared aout the election he would be doing everything he can to make sure they are fair and valid. He is sowing distrust now and will do nothing of the sort.. Quite the contrary, He will do everything he can to make sure they are questionable.

    Democrats at least bring forth mail in voting.. I wish we got rid of congress and just did daily elections/votes online. That would truly be government by the people if the integrity of a social media government could be maintained.

    I voted online absentee 2018 in Maryland. Mail in Voting does not seem that complicated.. Give them an ink pad and make them put a fingerprint on the thing. I am constantly told mail in voting can work and Trump and Barr say it will be wrought with fraud.. It is a physical peice of paper.. How many counterfeit twenty dollar bills are there?? Put something on the ballot to assure accuracy.
     
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    I have no issue with absentee voting. The issue I have is forcing it. The claim that it is for public safety is BS. If people can safely crowd WalMart for toilet paper, they can vote.
     
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    China is the Spoiler, pretty much what Russia is.
    By supporting Iran, as it did with North Korea when it developed its nuclear capability, it shows
    where it stands with nuclear non-proliferation.
    In recent weeks China has antagonized Bhutan, India, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, The Philippines
    and Vietnam. Time to give all these nations their own nuclear weapons. The world's Global Bully
    will have to deal with dozens of nuclear powers. The sooner we get rid of nuclear non-proliferation
    the better.
    ps we need to nuclear arm Georgia, Ukraine and the Baltic nations too. Russia did its bit to support
    North Korea.
     
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    I don't think anyone on the globe has the balls to use a nuke.. except for jihadists or boogaloos

    I am kind of on the side we shouldn't have used one ourselves a demonstration would have been fine
     
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    A demonstration. Sure, but there wasn't much left in Japan to bomb. The two bombs did 2% of the total war damage
    in Japan. The real bombs were the incendiary ones. When you fight a cruel and fanatical enemy like Japan there
    wasn't much room for sentiment in America.
    It was the same with Japanese internment. Few know that Japanese in Hawaii gave refuge to downed pilots - within
    the first few hours of the Pacific war.
     
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    I know about Berlin.. But I wasn't aware we had the air power in Japan to attack with the same ferocity as in Germany.
     
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    Bull Twaddle. It was China and Russia who brought Iran to the table - along with the EU. The deal was working - Iran was in compliance - it was Trump who pulled out of the deal and now Iran is closer to nukes than it was previously.

    Dealing with Iran does not mean China is in favor of nuclear proliferation - and Its not just China who will be dealing with Iran - Russia the EU will be in there as well - just the US will be locked out - of Iran and other ME nations.

    A strategic win in the economic war.

    Lets not forget it is the US and France who bears responsibility for nuclear proliferation thus far - not Russia/China.

    Then - after accusing China of being in favor of nuclear proliferation - you go off on some wild rant in favor of nuclear proliferation.

    "Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person". https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/projection

    You then finish by calling Russia/China the worlds global bully - when that honor goes to the US -hands down - no contest.

    Classic "Do what we say - not as we do" gibberish.
     
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    Talk is different than actually doing something.
    Like a bully he talks yet when you hit him he runs hone and cry...
    If the book Bolton wrote is true it shows what trump is like behind closed doors which sort of fits the whole story.
    Tarrifs are more taxes to us than hurting China. If trump wanted something done about China he could have came at them with a United front with our allies that now he has distanced us from.
     
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    Tarriffs were disasterous

    Farmers going bankrupt at same rate as 2011. Mexico and Brazil sell out... we have to throw away food.

    He should relax the 10% on electronics as every kid needs a device to learn now.
     
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    Tarriffs were disasterous

    Farmers going bankrupt at same rate as 2011. Mexico and Brazil sell out... we have to throw away food.

    He should relax the 10% on electronics as every kid needs a device to learn now.
     
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    The material the japanese used for their homes was extremely flammable. Their cities went up like a box of matches from our conventional bombing. Also, the atomic bombs we dropped were pretty tiny compared to what we can use today.
     
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