A fake plane was added for south tower explosion

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  1. countryboy

    countryboy New Member

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    Early on in this thread, 7forever posted two of his exceedingly blurry gif images of the alleged "orb" allegedly descending toward the south tower. When I pointed out the angle of descent from one image to the next appeared to be radically different, and asked him if he had an explanation for this discrepancy, he admitted he had none. He continued on as if this were a proven fact, and skipped right over this glaring contradiction. This seems to be his modus operandi. It is curious that he hasn't posted these side by side images since I called him on that, but instead chooses to post stock photos along side exceedingly blurry images along with gif images of Jack Nicholson laughing as proof positive. :roll:

    It is my contention that these animated gif images of the "orb", are nothing more than forgeries.

    Until 7forever can answer the technical questions you have asked him, he has even less credibility than he had to begin with, which is none. Nothing from nothing, leaves nothing.....
     
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    The following three were filmed on 911; Chopper 4 orb, WB11 chopper, and a plane that evening. It is clear that camera zoom on a distant object will reveal more detail and will often provide positive identification as it does with the chopper and plane. The orb shows no identifying characteristics of any known flying object or aircraft, staying true to its drone status. Note the speed and efficiency of the chopper and plane compared to the laughable cartoon dive of the orb.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DahTYtdHLA&feature=related"]WTC 2 "Flight 175" Approach (Not a Missile) - YouTube[/ame]
     
  3. countryboy

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    Your "orbs" are faked. You cannot present any evidence to the contrary. The same silly arguments you use to "prove" the plane is cgi fakery, can be used against your "orb" images.

    Repeating the same lie over and over doesn't make it the truth. ;)

    What, no image of Jack Nicholson? Man, you're slippin'.....
     
  4. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Either that film was shot abroad, or the date and time of the image you posted is most likely incorrect.

    U.S. national airspace was completely emptied of civilian traffic by 12:00pm and it was not reopened until Sept 13th.
     
  5. 7forever

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    The planes were faked. You cannot present any evidence to the contrary. You have no arguments because you are silly.

    Repeating the same lie over and over makes that the truth.

    What, no image of Jack Nicholson? Man, you're slippin'.:bored:
     
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    I've never posted silly gifs of Jack Nicholson, that's your shtick.

    What is your evidence the orb images you post aren't faked?
     
  7. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the contrary,

    There's physical evidence in the form of:
    Airline records
    Radar tracking
    Flight data
    Wreckage
    Human remains
    Video recordings

    There's also circumstantial evidence in the form of:

    Eyewitness testimony
    - People saw aircraft.
    - People heard aircraft.
    - People smelled jet fuel.
    - People recovered jet wreckage in the rubble.
    - People recovered human remains from the flights in the rubble.

    None of the families of the passengers or crew have come forward to say they are still alive.
    The aircraft are gone
    Hijacker suicide note videos
    Testimony from captured conspirators.
     
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    happy fun dude New Member

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    7forever.. You have been getting utterly dominated by fangbeer for many pages now.. You're clearly at a loss for responding to his points and questions. You should probably take a seat now.
     
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    Twenty-three more and we get this one locked too!!!!
     
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    You've never posted silly gifs of fake planes claiming they were real but I have posted silly gifs of fake planes proving they were simple cgi.

    What is your evidence the orb is fake or the cgi was not cgi?:bored:
     
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    You are absolutely delusional. No person or group can put a real plane in the 4 live broadcasts that show a slow moving orb with no plane anywhere in the area.:bored:
     
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    When you can address the technical questions asked of you by Fangbeer, get back to me. ;)
     
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    It confirms that when zoom can get close enough, both wings and the general construction of the aircraft will be discernable. WB11 and Techmac were very obvious fakes.

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    And the countdown is on!!!!
     
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    Zoom? You don't even know what zoom is. You don't know what factors affect magnification. There's so many variables that you don't know, and can't provide that it's ridiculous to try and claim that the two images you provided should be in any way similar. What type of camera took each image? What kinds of lens did they have? How far away was the object from the camera in each? What kind of manipulation took place after the image was taken? These are all questions with answers that you don't have.

    Look at that second image. You can't even read the text at the bottom the .JPG compression is so high. Do you honestly think the text aired that way? And you have the nerve to call other people delusional? That's rich.
     
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    There are so many potential variables (according to you) that you don't offer any explanation for how cgi's could somehow be real planes because you can't. You are so ridiculous that you don't try and claim the cgi's could be real planes because you know they are fake. If you can answer the questions you pose, go for it but it will change nothing. Can you prove that the obvious cgi used on 911 was not cgi? NO, of course you can't because you're defeated with evidence proving only that fact.
     
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    I can and I did offer an explanation and you didn't understand it. The orbs, as you call them, are artifacts of heavy image compression. I even explained how these artifacts are caused. The JPG process uses color averaging to reduce the total number of colors in an image. The GIF process uses dithering to reduce the number of colors in an image to 256 (8bit). Your images use both of these processes in conjunction to such an extent that the images are completely different from the original source files. They are not the same color, they are not the same scale, they are not the same frame rate.

    The process that caused the plane to appear as it appears is the same process that causes the text in your images to be unreadable. It's the same process that makes the windows in the building indiscernible. It's the same process that turns the sky in one image a muddy brown, and the same sky in a different image a light cyan.

    I also offered you multiple points of evidence that did not rely on heavily compressed images at all. All of which suggest that the planes could be and were "real." You managed to completely ignore that post.
     
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    Too bad this forum doesn't have the run rule because this game would have been called many innings ago.
     
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    You have offered zero evidence that a plane could degrade to an object the fraction of the size of a chopper. The woman in chopper 4 would have seen the plane but she didn't because there was no plane. YOU HAVE NOTHING.:bored:
     
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    The game was called the first time I showed the orb.:bored:
     
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    I offered multiple points of evidence that relied heavily on news footage that did not change at all from making gifs.LOL All of which prove that silly cgi was used on 911. You managed to completely ignore reality because your plane myth cannot be proven.:bored:
     
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    I can and did offer proof and you ignored it. The orb was a small and very slow floating object that exploded the south tower. WB11 aired live in all its haze and the orb was described by the news woman LIVE as a possible chopper, proving the original broadcast showed the orb. IT HAPPENED LIVE and was described live or missed because the orb was so small. Your compression myth is just silly nonsense.:bored:

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    You have no idea how correct you are.
     
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    Is sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and shouting "lalalala" a debate tactic these days? I'm not the only one here that thinks you have no idea what you are talking about and that you lost the argument. Refusing to address my points is not going to turn things around for you. I gave you multiple reasons why your analysis is false. You can address them or not, but ignoring them certainly damages your argument.

    It is impossible for them not to have changed. GIF only supports 256 colors. Does the live video footage only have 256 colors? Why do you think the logos and text are so horribly degraded?

    That last set you posted just proves my point. Look at how desaturated the GIF is in comparison to the FLV. In the top of the video the sky looks green, and in the top of the GIF the sky looks blue. Look at the scaling difference. These differences can cause and do cause artifacts that change the way the image looks.
     
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    Two conspiracy theorists die and go to Heaven. They are overjoyed when they find themselves standing before God.

    One of the men says, "Finally! We can be told the truth!"

    The other man says, "God, we know you won't lie to us! Tell us how arabs who weren't terrorists and could not fly a kite, did 911?

    God paused, then said, "I'm sorry boys. Those attacks were planned and carried out by the U.S. government and sold to the masses by a media who called an orb a boeing 767. Your government was behind the attacks.

    Hearing this, one of the conspiracy theorists looks at the other with eyes wide and says, "Wow... This is easier than we thought.
     
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