A list of what will save, may save and will not save Trump...

Just a compendium of arguments I have heard from the right. I numbered them for future reference.

Arguments that will not save Trump

1- The Lindsey Graham Defense: "I refuse to look at the evidence. Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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Refutes itself

2- The "Kangaroo Court" Defense: Examples: "Impeachment is unconstitutional...", "Shiff is a bad person..."... "...Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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Kangaroo Court or not, Trump is going to be removed unless Republicans start addressing the facts.

3- The "Look Away" Defense: Example: "Trump has not messed up the economy he inherited from Obama, and hasn't started a new war. Therefore, Tump is innocent"
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Not messing up everything else does not authorize anybody to commit crimes.

4- The "Convince the Trump Loyalist" Defense: Examples "I don't see any quid-pro-quo...", "You haven't convinced me..." "Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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Nothing in these proceedings is intended to convince you. Or me, for that matter. Definitely not intended to convince Trump loyalists.

5- The "Hearsay" Defense: Examples: "It's just hearsay"... "They're second hand accounts"... "Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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First of all, second hand accounts serve just as well as evidence as anything else. What in the world made you think otherwise? Second, second hand accounts are devastating when there is not a single counter argument. Not first, not second third or ... seventh... Zero counter-arguments.

6- The "Jim Jordan" Defense: Example: "I can scream louder, faster and in a screechier voice than you. Therefore, Trump is innocent".
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No idea what to respond. You got me there!

Arguments that might save Trump

1- The "Republican Senators are Partisan Hacks" Defense: Example: "Republican Senators would never vote for removal because, if they do, we won't re-elect them. Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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This could work. It depends on there not being enough Republican Senators who would be capable of growing a Patriotic bone.

Arguments that will save Trump

1- The "Facts" Defense: Example "Here are the facts, all the documents and all the witnesses willing to vouch for Trump's actions under oath. Therefore, Trump is innocent"
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Yep! That would do it! And it would re-elect Trump. Heck, I might even consider voting for him myself! Only one small drawback: they would have to exist.

 

You must be bored. The only list with any credibility is the very long list of malcontent anti-Trumpers attempts to oust him from office followed by then, we'll get him on this one.

 

Bored is most likely right. Trump lives in his head and there is nothing else to do.

 

I am still amazed as to what the Trump presidency has done to some individuals heads. God bless their little hearts, it obviously is a difficult time for them. Lists and all.

 

I hope they can find a reason to be thankful this time of year.

 

Hearsay is not proof of anything . It isn't permitted in court because it is little more than rumor. Which means that Lindsay defense isn't about ignoring evidence but rather that your side hasn't provided any.

 

If you are going to use quotes, at least quote accurately.

 

LOL! Looks like the OP knows the impeachment is a losing thing for democrats. I am loving to watch the dems self destruct!

 

And that list of credible malcontent anti-Trumpers you mention are going to succeed, unless pro-Trumpers start addressing the evidence.

 

Of course it is! It's easier to rebut with counter-evidence. But that counter-evidence needs to exist.

Of course it's permitted. Even in a criminal court. Though impeachment is not a criminal court. And if Republicans are going to rely on this as their "defense", Trump is toast!

The right still doesn't understand what impeachment is, and how it works. I'm pretty sure this is only the base that doesn't get it, and not the people who will ultimately have to defend Trump, though.

 

I think it transcends that! The democrats have broken the bounds of reality and now travel in a small dimension where imagination, dreams and unrealistic hope rules their lives.. Not saying it doesn't have its allure, it most certainly does! But with all things that induce the false feeling of euphoria they eventually must give way to the inevitable, pain and reality

 

How about, "We need to impeach Trump because we have tried so hard for so long using so many accusations. It's just not fair he is still president".

 

There most certainly are Democrats that wanted to impeach Trump before the votes have been counted. Too bad for them. Then there are others that have simply sat on sidelines and watched as this presidency unraveled in more ways than I wish to count unless you force me (like ripping the arms off my teddy bear).

Then there those who have watched it unravel until we got to this point and say f..k this! These are folks that really, really like our Constitution and America's place in the world. This particular crime (bribery or extortion) is so blatantly evident and unconstitutional that we say "impeach the sumbitch." I love America not Trump!

 

Dead wrong hear say is flat disallowed in a criminal court. Even trying to raise it will draw a quick objection from the defense, which will automatically be sustained. The reason should be obvious to anyone wit a functioning brain. The person from whom the evidence is derived is not in court and was not sworn in at the time he made the statement therefore the statement may not be introduced until that person is in court to testify on his own behalf, and sworn in.

Hearsay is sometimes used during an investigation but if no supporting evidence is found that stands on its own the hearsy is rightly discarded.

 

The transformation after these few short year I have been on this site has been illuminating!

 

I think it can all be summed up with one simple word, hyperbolic..

 

That was said within minutes of Trump's inauguration. Stop pretending any of the otherwise.

 

Arguments that will save Trump:

1. Every single Democrat and half the GOP Senate needs to vote to convict.

 

Great post. Says it all.

Unfortunately, Trump Repubs in the Senate aren't going to budge. They are going to follow Trump right into the abyss. The American voter will handle this next November. Some Repubs in Congress will be lucky if there are ever elected dogcatcher.

 

Already listed. If what you're saying is that you are sure that the argument I listed as "Might save Trump" will save him, at this point I would give you a 70% probability of being right. But, before you bring out the Champagne, consider the fact that it would have been 80% before August and 99.9% before April. So the trend is not on your side.

Interesting that you don't consider feasible the one I listed as the one that would definitely save Trump. Why is that?

 

Of all the possible outcomes, that's the one that I'm expecting.

 

Save your hopes for 2024 lol

 

You used the phrase "doesn't prove Trump innocent: or something to that effect anyway.. that isca complete misunderstanding of our legal stadards.

Trump does not have to prove himself innocent. Thr Democrats have 100% of the burden to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Im my opinion they have not done thst.. more witnesses may change that but i don't know.

 

Damn, that would have saved you and we read a lot of time if you would have JUST SAID what you were expecting ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Is that the new word of the day? It's cool.