A little perspective on the chance that you will be a victim

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by OrlandoChuck, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. rahl

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    yea, we already know you have an opinion. The point is, your opinion is meaningless to US law. It's just the way it is. Take your arguments to court, and see where they get you.
     
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    It is not!
     
  3. Richard The Last

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    Care to explain?
     
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    read the thread
     
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    US law has become thoroughly corrupted, as the government brazenly violates the Constitution and the courts let it happen.

    When the time comes, the courts will NOT be the avenue for corrective action.
     
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    yes, we know you have an opinion. You need to realize it's meaningless when it comes to US law.

    Lol, viva la revolution.

    Any armed "rebellion" will be quickly and decisively put down by local law enforcement.

    This is the kind of **** I'm talking about though. You guys saying crazy **** like this is what gives the rest of us normal gun owners a bad name.
     
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    And here we have just one more clear and unimpeachable statement demonstrating that you don't know what the **** you're talking about... and that you are interested only in defending and protecting totalitarian government.
     
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    uh, no. I just get annoyed when the crazies on the pro gun side make me and the majority of gun owners look bad by saying batshit crazy **** like you keep doing. Specifically about "armed rebellion/revolution"
     
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    Uh, yeah. And let's make something clear: I don't give a rodent's rump if you're "annoyed". I'm annoyed by totalitarian apologists like you trying to paint anybody who isn't willing to accept rampant and brazen governmental abuses of the Constitution as "crazy". I'm annoyed with the lies, I'm annoyed with the abuses, and I'm annoyed with intellectual cowards who meekly capitulate just because a government subsidiary tells them they should.

    Standing up for my Constitutional rights is not "crazy". It's the right thing to do. Don't like it? Take it up with Jefferson.

    "The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson

     
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    The word of yourself is not proof of anything.
     
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    \some people worship government and believe it can do no wrong. Its common in some parts of Ohio. Our famous prosecutor/Sheriff Simon Leis (he prosecuted Larry Flynt and tried to shut down the Mapplethorpe photography exhibit) was an example of that. Its a comforting position for some since they don't have to do any thinking for themselves. Just follow whatever big brother says
     
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    I deal with this all the time--country club quail hunters who get upset at IPSC or "tactical shooters". The Brooks brothers guys with their 20,000 dollar Beretta or Perazzi shotguns figure if they support magazine limits or "assault weapon bans" then the gun banners will not try to shut down their skeet range at the country club or make their quail hunting trips at big bucks game ranches illegal. its idiotic but its how they think. You should have seen the howls I got when I moved that our 3000 member gun club require NRA membership 30 years ago (saved us thousands on insurance) the sporting clays guys and trap shooters whined and howled and some even complained about the NRA supporting "Rambos" they kept howling until the City of Cincinnati (where many of them lived) wrote the "assault weapon ban" so as to include Winchester Model 12 shotguns.
     
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    The science says otherwise
     
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    Your idea of science has been debunked.
     
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    That answer doesn't even make sense. You said "it's about saving lives" and I said "it is not". How does science play into that discussion? Are you saying that science can prove that gun control is about saving lives? Come on, you're slipping.
     
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    He keeps insisting those studies that purportedly state a gun kept in the home is more likely to be used in suicide or homicide rather than in lawful defense of the home, insisting these studies are "science" or based on science or scientific observations.
     
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    vegas cannot prove the existence of a SINGLE case where a crime was prevented by

    1) a waiting period

    2) a background check

    3) registration
     
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    But V.G. does prove it !
    He said;


    "It works, it works !

     
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    its a HUGE SUCCESS

    IT SAVES LIVES

    ITS JUST A FORM

    IT WORKS GREAT

    repeated 2000 times
     
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    But there are reported instances of people being killed because they couldn’t get through the registration process in time to acquire a gun for protection.

    Thus, my gun control kills response to him.
     
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    we can prove those cases exist. Vegas cannot find a single case that proves his claims
     
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    Yep, shared a few reports in an exchange with him at some point. I doubt he read them... anecdotal evidence you know.
     
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    lets look at his arguments rationally

    He claims he wants to "save lives"

    he has two choices

    1) pushing for laws that are best-INCONCLUSIVE about saving lives but clearly harass Millions of Americans and thus will be opposed as both ineffectual (in saving lives) and too burdensome on honest Americans. That is his choice of approaches

    2) push for laws that actually target those who harm others with guns-an approach that will not cause lots of Americans to object OR go after things that cause far more deaths of innocent Americans such as medical mistakes, drunk driving, etc.

    Since he chooses the first approach, its legitimate to argue that his motivations are suspect since his Solutions (to save lives) are dubious in value and he continues to stick to the one "solution" that clearly harasses honest citizens who own guns
     
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    I'd select choice 2, but tread more carefully on pushing for laws relative to medical mistakes.
     
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    Yes I am saying that
     

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