A logical and empirical look at Election Fraud in 2020

In fact, the two lawsuits I reviewed are filled with allegations of fraud. I have provided you with several examples now. If you are right then Rule 11 sanctions are appropriate.

“(b) Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:
(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;
(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;”

• CORNELL LAW LEGAL INFORMATION INSTITUTE, LII Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 11. Signing Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to the Court; Sanctions, Rule 11. Signing Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to the Court; Sanctions.https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_11"

So, again, why didn't the DP lawyers hit the RP legal team with motions for Rule 11 sanctions?

 

You can keep repeating the same incorrect statement over and over again. The pleadings, and rulings are public record. Every single time a judge asked trumps attorneys if they were alleging fraud, to a man, they stated no.

 

Biden kind of did exactly what most of the poles I saw before the election predicted. I really was not surprised at all at the results, despite Trump's surge coming into the election.

The vote was anti Trump all the way and a referendum on his handling of COVID killing a quarter million people and crashing the economy.

 

Get over it done and finished, no more idiotic Tweets and false promises it's all over. You have a a new president who is repairing the damage done by your 'hero' and from what I hear he is not much wasting time.
doing so.

 

Yet another unresponsive reply. I wonder why?

 

Focus: If what you say is true the RP lawyers confessed to filing false pleadings.

So, why didn't the DP lawyers file motions to sanction Republican lawyers who signed those pleadings?

T.H.I.N.K.

 

the rulings are all public record. No trump suit alleged fraud, and when asked specifically by the presiding judges, every single trump lawyer, to a man, confirmed they were not alleging fraud. You need to join us in reality.

 

Watch and see- there is certainly no repair going on, only division, deception, damage and delusion. But that is my view. It's no longer about Trump, it's about the democratic administration shooting us all in the foot.
Don't take anyone's word for it, just revisit your current perception in a year or two. See if you can keep telling yourself the same thing.

And at that time- you will want to compare again the Trump accomplishments to the Biden ones. See if the double standard is still working for you, or if you can't stand the denial anymore.

 

So, you are saying that they confessed to filing false pleadings.
Again, why didn't the DP lawyers file for Rule 11 sanctions?
Why is that such a tough question for you to answer?

 

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Good post - to add - My argument has been that even if there was election fraud - who is to say the Fraud was not tilted in Biden's favor over Trump ? - and if not .. OK .. what was the "Ratio" - and good luck answering this question.. which makes the effort pointless and futile .. unless you can show some massive organized election fraud - which we don't have.

 

And yet RP lawyers alleged massive election fraud in signed pleadings in federal courts.

I find it very odd that the DP's lawyers failed to file motions for Rule 11 sanctions which would have ended challenges to the integrity of the election in November and assured a smooth transition.

 

I think your definition of "massive" and mine are different .. but regardless - my argument still stands - and you did not address that argument.

 

Massive voter fraud.. hundreds of thousands if not millions.. remember a majority where copied ballots and many just by electronic means. The entirety of the political class, apparently, went along with it, nobody wanted to loss their position in the swamp... We have been in some kind of totalitarian dictatorship or oligarchy for a long time now, they don't even have to be sneaky about it anymore.

 

Fake news. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9787630390

What state law, specifically, was violated or changed?

More fake news. Trump's own legal team admitted that a "non zero" number of Republican observers were allowed in these states. Yes, SOME Republican observers AND Democrat observers were turned away . . . because maximum occupancy had been reached . . . an occupancy which included other Republican observers.

Not really. The vast majority of these affidavits (aside from those that have been recanted) don't even allege to have witnessed any voter fraud, just stuff that they thought was vaguely "suspicious." Plus, Trump's own legal team admitted in court that their method of collecting affidavits had garnered several false and trolling affidavits.

More fake news. They weren't "suitcases." They were standard ballot containers that HAD BEEN FILMED AND LIVE STREAMED.

I have no doubt that you have many, many more fake examples. I agree that they are ridiculous.

You guys need to make up your mind. One minute you say it was "suspicious" that counting paused in some counties until the morning. The next you claim that it is "suspicious" that other counties continued counting throughout the night. Which is it?

The whole "but Trump was ahead and then he wasn't" thing isn't a mystery to anyone with two braincells to rub together. There were other places, such as Texas and Florida, where he was behind and then came ahead. It had to do with when mail-in ballots and large metropolitan area votes were counted. Think.

 

the rulings are all public record. No trump suit alleged fraud, and when asked specifically by the presiding judges, every single trump lawyer, to a man, confirmed they were not alleging fraud. You need to join us in reality.

 

Intentional killing of the economy, through federal and state legislation and rules, using the pandemic as the means to destroy voters #1 motivation in every election... money.

There is zero reasonable doubt anymore that the left didn't intentionally kill Trumps economy for political gain.

That is enough to call it fraud to me.

 

So you don’t have any fraud allegations beyond “it’s all a conspiracy trust me! I would never lie to you!”. And it’s this kind of logic that we have to now deradicalize.

 

You missed my point. The RP lawyers alleged massive election fraud in their filed pleadings. Like you, I am not so convinced that there was enough election fraud to sign a complaint and file it in a federal court.

I think it is very likely that the election was rigged, but that is just an opinion. If the lawyers who filed those pleadings are unable to back up their allegations with facts and evidence they should have been sanctioned last November. If the RP lawyers were lying to the court in their signed pleadings it was the DP lawyers, not me, that let them get away with it. I find their passive response very odd.

 

I checked out two of them. They both alleged massive election fraud.
Your sources have obviously disinformed you.


"143. The Order, which upends validly enacted election law and requires automatic
mailing of ballots to all active voters—especially given New Jersey’s rampant history of voter

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fraud—makes voter fraud and other ineligible voting inevitable.

144. Dilution of honest votes, to any degree, by the casting of fraudulent or illegitimate
votes violates the right to vote. Reynolds, 377 U.S. at 555; Anderson, 417 U.S. at 226-27; Baker, 369 U.S. at 208.

145. Defendants’ new, unauthorized voting system facilitates fraud and other illegitimate voting practices, and therefore violates the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution."

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY

COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF
DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC., REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, NEW JERSEY REPUBLICAN STATE COMMITTEE,

Plaintiffs,

v.

PHILIP D. MURPHY, in his official capacity as Governor of New Jersey, TAHESHA WAY, in her official capacity as Secretary of State of New Jersey,
Defendants.
Case 3:20-cv-10753-MAS-ZNQ
Document 1
Filed 08/18/20

 

No you make any division the rest of us are reasonably happy that the yellow clown is just history. Find yourself another 'hero'.

 

Research the number of people infected and dying due to covid along with the restrictions in place. Specifically NY and Illinois.

There is no logical reason for the restrictions and easing of them based on the numbers other than that it was for political gain. You can bury your head in the sand if you want. Democrats destroyed millions of Americans financially for political gain.

 

I also found a correlation between rubber duckies and covid patients! The evil rubber ducky industry is out to get Trump! We need to take their squeakers away before they get to us!

 

the rulings are all public record. No trump suit alleged fraud, and when asked specifically by the presiding judges, every single trump lawyer, to a man, confirmed they were not alleging fraud. You need to join us in reality.

 

COVID response is very political in nature. Masks and lockdowns were clearly politicized and enforced differently based on red/blue. That being said, I do not believe the left intentionally put people out of work for political gain. It just so happens that urban areas are mostly blue, and densely populated areas took the biggest hits. It is not unreasonable that they would lock down harder.

 

You have a very special memory!!

Somehow, you forget that Democrats stood tall for democracy in 2016. They stood tall in other very frustrating elections, too.

Democrats have won the plurality in 6 of the last 7 elections.

What do you think Republicans would be doing today if Republicans had won the plurality in 6 of the last 7 elections and didn't have the presidential terms to show for it???

What would Republicans be doing today if they had won MILLIONS of more votes than Biden did, yet Biden became president???

Today, we have Republicans not just whining and bellyaching, but KILLING PEOPLE and attempting to overturn our democracy even though they lost by MILLIONS of votes and LARGE NUMBERS of EC votes as well.



So, DO NOT suggest that there is ANY equivalence between the parties here. Democrats believe in democracy and are PROVEN willing to stand by the process.

Republicans KILL PEOPLE when they lose, and then they go to work to kill democracy, too.