a lot of the misunderstandings about Christianity come from a lack of wisdom about human nature

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    LOL! You could show me where it says that or be ridiculed for making a false claim.
     
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  2. FreedomSeeker

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    And on the whole NT....which of course casts a shadow on the entire story of a magic zombie from Nazareth magically giving people a "life after death" up in an invisible, bigoted, Muslim-free country club in the sky somewhere, of course.
     
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    That's because you are more ethical, loving, and compassionate than Jesus and 80%+ (my guess) of Xtians, because they will not do that. I applaud you. I of course would, as well.
     
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    Your apparent desire and need to become perfect is your fantasy. Why do you attempt to impose that desire upon others?
     
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    There a two issues:
    1. Does the Bible say something, or does it not say that thing (in this case is the world flat.)
    2. What is your ETHICAL REACTION/DECISION in regards to that issue.

    You failed #2 because you failed to condemn god/Jesus if, if, the Bible said the earth is flat. If, repeat if, the Bible said the earth was flat then it should be roundly condemned - period. That's all I was after. So if, repeat if, doombug, the Bible DOES say the earth is flat, you apparently would NOT condemn it - which means that you can't question authority. That's bad.

    You need to have the balls to question authority.
     
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  6. doombug

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    I have the balls to question you and that did not get me anything. Looks like having balls is over rated. Can you produce the info or no?
     
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    Family picture?
     
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    Oh, like you.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anything about being completely perfect? That's not going to happen.

    But consider this: a criminal only needs to mess up one time to spend the rest of his life in prison. (This is a point Paul made too, except in his time it was the death penalty)

    So being generally good, but not completely good, is not necessarily good enough.

    Imagine a society (a "Kingdom" if you will) where there would be virtually no crime, certainly no serious crime, and where all the laws would be just. I know that's virtually impossible to imagine but think about it. No security guards, don't need to have cashiers, just set out a cash box based on the honor system, don't need to have locks, don't need to have all those lawyers, because no one is cheating each other. Things would be better in so many different ways.
     
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    But could it be that their errors have greater value to G-d than if they had been nearly perfect?

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06
     
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  11. yguy

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    You're guessing wrong.
    To support the idea that it sinned, you'd have to have evidence that it was subsequently conscience-stricken.
     
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    Why does it require a conscience to sin? Does that mean psychopaths don't sin when they commit murder, since they don't have a conscience and don't regret it? If you people on the left would take two seconds to THINK, you'd realize your contentions are bogus.
     
  13. yguy

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    Because sin is violation of one's conscience.
    Anyone without a conscience is no more human than a chimp.
    How very amusing.
    You don't have to think when you know.

    Which I do. 8)
     
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    That's the most asinine definition of sin I've ever read.
     
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    Something tells me I'm never gonna find out what exactly is wrong with it - not from you, anyway.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Observations from an agnostic/atheist member of this forum, from another thread:
     
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    We all sin. Sin is nothing more than straying away from what is right. Even if one didn't believe in God one can sin. If we gossip about someone and we know it is wrong that's straying away from what we know is right. Did I get angry or say something to hurt someone's feelings today? The level of are straying off the path can vary in different degrees. We all recognize when we have done something wrong. The question is "what are we doing about it". Suppose Mary Magdalene killed one of her customers, would Jesus have told the mob "He who is without sin cast the first stone". I have strayed off the path so many times, lots of them repeatedly, they are too numerous to count. Lots of them defiantly . Again, the question is " what am I doing about it". I always like that quote " God is not here for the perfect man but here for the sinner".
     
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    I don't agree with that.

    Nobody should be interpreting the Bible as a work of science. It doesn't exist as a manual for how our natural world works.
     
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    Total Fail.

    sin is a violation of the accepted norms.

    what can send you to heaven in one religion, can send you to hell in another.
     
  20. yguy

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    Please, you have no idea.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Sounds like you haven't the slightest.
     
  22. WillReadmore

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    A sin is an act that violates religious law.
     
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    And that changes with the culture and religion.

    A sin is not universal .
     
  24. WillReadmore

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    A sin is an act that breaks religious law.

    So, it depends on the religion.

    A culture could include more than one religion.
     
  25. yguy

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    And who'd know better than a professing atheist, right?
     

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