A Memeory From The Past And Why Training Children Will Reduce Gun Accidents

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  1. Texan

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    My boys were introduced to guns at around 8 years of age. Safety was always stressed and they were always under my supervision. They saw what a gun could do and learned to respect the damage it can do. We even take Mom's old fall decoration pumpkins and blow them up the day after Christmas with shotguns. It's almost a tradition, but they know what a gun can do. They know how to safely operate any gun I own. I am fully confident that they would never "play" with a gun, especially without adult supervision.

    I say "they". Our youngest is now 17 and knows the combination to my safe. (Legal in TX.) Our boys have also observed our strict obedience to Texas law. They know very well that as useful as a gun is in home and personal security, using it outside the law will only amplify the consequences and put you in a world of hurt.
     
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    That works until “Trevor” joins

    There is a “Trevor” in every group.
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Good

    But research, you know taphat thing where MORE than one story is taken into account, well it does not support your theory

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180515113601.htm
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Do those places actually have humans living in them? Lols

    Yes The USA is not homogeneous and there has found to be a strong correlate between enforcement of gun laws and gun mortality

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  5. Texan

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    Who said anything about gun safety programs? My boys actually shoot guns and learned to do it safely. There is no curiosity when finding an unattended firearm. They know what it can do and know to report it to the proper adults and not let kids get to it.
     
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    It's well known that having children handle and use firearms allows them to understand and respect the power a gun can unleash, simply talking about them or having them read so called fact sheets will never make them gun safe.

    And the foolish advice of having a gun free home or keeping guns locked up actually does little to prevent childhood gun accidents, unless one also keeps the child confined in the home at all times, allowing the child to only leave the home when under adult supervision.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    For a great part of US history, guns were ubiquitous in American homes and firearms training, particularly, gun safety, was provided by the immediate Family. Young children, often 8 or above often participating in hunting and filling the pot. But, then, family provided education taught a broader set of life survival skills. A good deal of education provided by the family has been usurped, sometimes by law, by the State. Unfortunately, there is a generation or two, not equipped to educate children with common life skills, much less educate on gun safety. Thus, the conclusions in regard to the study may seem logical to those with bias, it is found wanting in examining the range of variables. One variable the cited study doesn’t take in account is the ability of parents to provide credible (as perceived by children) instruction in regard to anything, much less with firearms. I can often ascertain much about parents by watching their children.
    The handful that have posted about training children here, almost to a one, describe a long process of firearms safety education as was mine, starting before the age of 5. I in turn, did the same with my two girls staring around 5. By the age of 13, they both had bought and paid for their own guns, and now married, both have exceptional skill with firearms and a broad range of other life skills.

    You still haven’t answered my question from several threads and many posts ago. If you spotted a young child with a found pistol, what would you do? And, what would you do first?
     
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    And some make a good living with shooting.

     
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    It's quite clear you didn't watch the video or what is involved, for if you did you would have understood what the Sheriff is referring to are those licensed to carry concealed in Florida, a process that eliminates idiots from being licensed.

    In Florida and nationwide gun owners who are licensed to carry concealed, are substantially more law abiding then law enforcement officers.

    As such you idea of a Trevor being part of that group is not poorly researched, it is also totally false.
     
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    False, the U.S. is quite homogenous when it comes to law abiding firearm owners.
     
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    Ah! So shifting the boundaries eh?
    https://www.vox.com/2018/11/13/17658028/massachusetts-gun-control-laws-licenses
     
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    :roll: :roll:

    More law abiding

    Suuuuuuure!

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    If training is so effective why does the American Academy of Paediatrians not support it?

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    Funny not one of these talks about the effectiveness of training
     
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    That's because they are not in the business of training and are clueless as to it's value.

    You really need to step back and cease posting bullcrap you copy and paste of which you have no clue of what's it's all about, your making yourself appear to be totally uninformed about the subject.
     
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    First and foremost, suicide is not a crime in the united states, therefore there is no legitimate purpose for such statistics to be counted in the attached chart. The chart even admits it does not count incidents where no verdict is reached at trial, meaning they themselves are admitting to their data being faulty.

    Second, the number of individuals who have been convicted is substantially less than four hundred. Over a period of twelve years, that is far less than thirty three convictions per year, out of an estimated ten million individuals nationwide who currently hold valid concealed carry permits. That is very less than a one percent margin of failure to be addressing.
     
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    For the simple reason that it is engaged on political advocacy, rather than sound science.
     
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    At least it is a link which is more than.......
     
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    I learned how to shoot and hunt when I was 8 or 9. I'm 55 now and still very active in the shooting sports and never had an accident.

    I started by daughter out shooting at the age of 5 years old with a BB gun. Then by 6 or 7 she was shooting my Ruger 10/22. By the age of 10 or 11 she was shooting a 9 mm handgun. By the age of 13 or 14 she was shooting all my guns which include AR, AK, UZI, FAL, MAC11, shotguns, and all my handguns and never had an accident.

    She is 24 years old now and we like to do long range rifle shooting out to 300 to 500 hundred yards.

    So, I totally disagree with your statement.
     
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    You should have taken up music instead and passed that on to your daughter. Everyone is fully aware of the destruction a firearm commits each and every time the trigger is pulled ..... but the beauty of music is still unknown to many. That is where you and your daughter are needed. It's a down-right shame you didn't inspire her in that direction instead, although I do not blame you personally.
     
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    "The absence of guns from children’s homes and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents."

    It is so obvious and simple that one is boggled to realize there are those who either:
    1. Do not understand it.
    2. Do not believe it.
     
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    I'd say what any parent or police officer would say.
    "Step - away - from - the -gun!"

    But I have no doubt you'd say,
    "Draw!"
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    Oh, yes. Someone on this forum once quoted a thinker who coined the phrase "whataboutism". I looked it up to find that it describes a common American habit used to deflect criticism and it nearly always is expressed as, "Oh yeah? What about XXX?!" (fill in the Third-World nation of your choice).
     
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    I appreciate your earnest concerns (seriously) so please excuse me for taking a very sharp turn in your narrative. But I must ask a question: What the hell kind of country is it where guns are lying about for every Tom, Dick, and Harry's child to find? It must be such a fairly common thing to warrant so much debate and the creation of a whole thread (this one) devoted to the subject.

    Do you not think that maybe it is time to pick the pots & pans up off of the floor and put them back into the cupboard and once & for all repair the holes in the roof?
     

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