A million dead children in Venezeula?

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  1. Fisherguy

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    Nice speech, comrade. How's the weather in Leningrad, today?
     
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    Venezuela is getting democracy good and hard.
     
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    You should know
     
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    VZ is not a tragedy. It is Death By Government - democratic government.
     
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    Venezuela is a tragedy. They didn't 'vote' for their predicament any more than NK or China does. Political persecution, censorship, rigged elections and foreign money brought them the socialism thats starving them to death, not 'The People.'
     
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    Are we supposed to pretend like the interveniontist crowd is sincerely concerned with the children in Venezuela? Or that they care about anyone living there? After all, the intervenionists are the same people responsible for the mass death and misery being visited upon Yemen by Saudi Arabia, the US, and the UK, so clearly they have no qualms about causing horrible suffering to scores of innocent people. Yet we're supposed to believe they are motivated by compassion for the people in Venezuela? Really? Is there anyone in the world still stupid enough to believe these interventionist lies and crocodile tears? You think the US government and its apologists isolate, destabilize, and attack countries because of humanitarianism? HA!

    The propaganda war on Venezuela is just another pile of selective, hypocritical bullcrap, served up to the masses by scumbag politicians and lying media whores. Venezuela is being targeted because of its oil reserves and its unwillingness to be ruled by powerful outsiders. This has NOTHING to do with humanitarianism or spreading democracy or whatever other propaganda narrative western elites trot out. It's just more "regime change" insanity being pushed by the people who gave us the Iraq war and Vietnam before it.
     
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    So what? The US has been supporting dictators for decades. The US helps prop up a dictatorship in Saudi Arabia where there isn't even a semblance of democracy. I don't see you and other interventionists making a fuss about that.
     
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    You embraced one of the worst ideas in human history. Remember the Iraq war? That was all you.
     
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    Nobody would be talking about the tragedy in Venezuela if the government and the media (or do I repeat myself?) hadn't prompted them to do it. All this Venezuela talk is just a big kabuki show orchestrated by political and corporate elites who want to control Venezuela's natural resources, particularly its oil reserves.
     
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    I supported the iraq war and it was a mistake

    Now fire your next salvo if you have one
     
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    It was one of the biggest mistakes in human history. It cost this country thousands of lives, thousands more injured, and trillions of dollars, not to mention it unleashed ISIS on the world. And it was all based on lies and exaggerations. You think admitting it was a mistake fifteen years later is supposed to revive your credibility or something? Aren't cons always preaching about "personal responsibility"? Yet they have never really taken any responsibility for the horrible disaster in Iraq. They keep wading into foreign policy debates as if nothing happened. They are like the guy who gets blackout drunk at a party and then shows up the next day pretending that everything is normal. But it's not normal. It's not normal for a group of people to destroy an entire country based on falsehoods and ignorance and then act like they are still entitled to be taken seriously. If there were any sanity in this world, the people behind the Iraq war would never be seen or heard from again out of extreme shame and embarrassment. Instead, they shout from the rooftops, calling for even more wars, every change they get. It is a complete reversal of basic standards of decency and sense.
     
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    I see you continue to belabor a point I wave already agreed with you about

    That old bone is worn out but you just cant give it up
     
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    Why was the war in Iraq wrong?
    Sometimes NOT going to war is wrong.
    Hope I am wrong but the case to point now could be Iran and its nuclear ambitions
    which will cause Egypt, Saudi and Turkey to get the bomb, thus ending the nuclear
    non-proliferation.
    Regardless of what the socialist press says - Iraq had weapons of mass destruction,
    and used them. Iraq brutalized its own people. Iraq invaded other countries.

    At what point would the "international community" have stepped in? Probably never.
     
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    Iraq was no threat to any of the neighbors.. In fact, Iraq was crippled by two decades of war and sanctions. Iraq never recovered from being driven out of Kuwait in the first Gulf War.
     
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    You don't get the point -
    There is no intervention.
    There are no plans for intervention.
    No one is targeting Venezuela's oil reserves.
    An no-one is concerned for the children - especially the people
    who pretended they were concerned for "Bush's sanctions" upon Iraq -
    the same people BTW who first called for the intervention.

    Suffering children are a useful pawn for the hard left.
     
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    Trump just said he has not ruled out a military option for Venezuela.. Is he now "hardl left"?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You take notice of Trump?
    There are no plans on invading Venezuela.
    The right don't want war. The left ignore the issue.
    Who is more wrong?
     
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    Not our problem. We did not create Venezuela's current conditions; a branch of the Left did. We don't, however, see the socialism loving leftists of THIS nation doing a damn thing to help the people of Venezuela. Lots and lots and lots of millionaires on the Left, and not a penny for those children. Won't someone do something for the children? No, not wealthy leftists; they only cause the problems; they don't fix them -- and then they point a trembling finger of blame . . . at . . . the . . . Right.
     
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    Iraq invaded two countries.
    It brutalized its own minorities (and even majority Shia)
    Iraq did not co-operate with WMD inspectors and claimed
    it tipped its chemical weapons "out in the desert somewhere"

    As it is - any country wanting to go chemical or biological now
    can do so without censure. Iraq exhausted the will of the West
    to stop it. And Syria just proved the point - no more "red lines"

    Sad really - we are the generation who allowed this to happen.
    Somewhere down the road it will be Western societies that will
    be on the receiving end of this stuff.
     
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    So why is Trump spouting lies in public?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe Michael Moore could do a documentary on Venezuela today?
    Don't hold your breath - he's probably doing one now on Trump supporters.
     
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    He's a nut job.
     
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    Iraq invaded Kuwait a decade earlier and was driven out.. Saddam had no WMDs.. Iraq was broken BEFORE the 2003 invasion.
     
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    Agreed. Thanks for confirming that life is cheap and not at all "sacred" except for political reasons.
     
  25. Gatewood

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    Apparently only Right of Center people still study history.
     

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