A Nation based on disunity will not for much longer lead the world stage.

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  1. unkotare

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    No, they do not. Too many people shout about political science without ever having studied it.
     
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    Yawn, whatever you say.

    1893-Overthrew Hawaiian Monarchy

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    I believe cultural unity is a much bigger factor than people lend credence too.

    If you look at history in the past, many great Empires eventually fell apart because the people and territories wanted to go their own separate ways, and it just ended up causing conflict and strife.

    The idealists weren't able to see this.
     
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    I read the whole list to see if you left anything out!

    Actually, you could have gone back farther and mentioned some of the maneuvering around the Mexican War and American adventures in Panama that predated Teddy Roosevelt!
     
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    That's the core of Trumpism, and ideology you have promoted on this forum for three years.

    The myth of American revival, coupled with the cult of personality. The makings of a facist dictator.

    Our only salvation lies in the fact that the man the far right chose for the role is a spoiled little rich kid with the mid of a sixth grader, and no ambition for himself beyond being the center of attention on TV, and no real ambitions or legacy for his country at all.

    And, it's obvious that parts of the MidWest, most of the South and many of the sparsely populated states in the West would go along.

    They put Trump in the White House.

    And these areas have ALWAYS been the core of the backwards, isolationist, xenophobic dark underbelly of American political culture. They gave us the Klan, the America First movement, Father Couglin, Joe McCarthy, the John Birch Society, George Wallace, Sarah Palin,and now, Donald Trump.

    It is the parochial reactionary right who will be the ones who surrender democracy to a dictator.

    And, as we have seen with Trump, they will cheer loudly as they hand over their rights.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    America's not an Empire, it's a Hegemon or Hegemony, can we agree on that?
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Hear, hear

    "But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be Fuhrers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certainly deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there"

    From John Thomas Flynn's As We Go Marching Emphases mine, as they seem the most important part, which I had not really realized until I saw them written here.
     
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    Agreed.

    I also strongly reccomend Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here"
     
  9. unkotare

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    If you are a spokesperson for the CCP.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    A) You really have to get over the previous election. That much butt-hurt is bad for ya.

    B) Don’t pretend the human weakness behind supporting dictators is partisan in nature. Mussolini came to power at the same time Stalin did.
     
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    And what is it you imagine your list to indicate?
     
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    The US government did not do that, a coup was staged by businessmen on the islands and local people. President Grover Cleveland ordered that Liliuokalani be reinstated.
     
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    Gee, what a rational post.

    Threatening to kill people who don't agree with you.

    My hope is people won't be subjected to your posts any longer, as a result.

    I mean we all have our limits.
     
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    You meant to say The Spanish-American War
     
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    I got lazy.
     
  17. unkotare

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    Was an internal crisis of the waning Qing Dynasty, attributable to British imperialism if to any.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I apologize about the deleted post, it was a JOKE fer crissake, I forget this is the Internet, I'm sorry.

    Now can I ask again, WHO do you want to be Emperor? I honestly think that's the first place this breaks down, because neither I nor anyone else can come up with anyone who we want to give absolute power to.
     
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    I'd like to hear how this one was an example of American 'imperialism.'
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What is the CCP?
    The OP proposed that the USA become an Empire, and seemed further to imply that this Empire should be ruled by an Emperor, which I always though defined an Empire anyway. So who does he want to be Emperor?
     
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    Chinese Communist Party
     
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    People always want to go their own way. The problem I see is that governments have this inherent tendency to see society as made up of groups instead of viewing groups as made up of people. Governments should seek a balance between these two viewpoints because otherwise they are going against universal human tendencies. Empires, for many reasons, are particularly bad at this, and that is a major weakness for them.
     
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    No, I got it from the dictionary and my own reading. China is a Hegemon or Hegemony too and so is Russia and even Europe, but none are even close to being the World Hegemony that the USA has become. The dictionary denotation says that it's "a leading world power" but the connotations of modern use go a little beyond that, to meaning a leading power in charge of many, or even all, of the other nations, while at the same time not actually ruling over them.
     
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    You have to get over that Election too, "**** you, we won" for two years lost you the Congress and probably 2020

    You're right in that dictators know no party, Huey Long was the only left wing dictator I can recall offhand that got very far in America, the USA is not, thank the Constitution, very friendly to the dictator type.

    World Imperialism ruined China throughout the 19th century. Many historians say that China was far from being the weak "sick man" country it became by 1900 and the fact that it survived Imperialism's constant and vicious onslaughts at all shows how strong a country it was.

    The US, OTOH, probably softened that Imperialism with it's "Open Door " policy, many Chinese pundits, (most all of them on Taiwan) have said they are grateful for that
     
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    LOL

    You sound just like CCP spokesman who constantly repeat the term hegemony when they want to whine about the United States acting in our own national interest.
     

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