A New Constitutional Idea

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties' started by Tram Law, May 26, 2014.

  1. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Again, you're not seeing the inherent dangers of an Art5 especially if things are as bad as you paint them.

    What about free speech? Someone preventing you from speaking or transmitting information? Are you not here (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about the government?
     
  2. ChristopherABrown

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    More evasion. Address the concept of preparatory amendment please.

    Also do you agree and accept that the ultimate and root purpose of free speech is to assure information vital to survival is shared and understood?

    BTW, your post promotes cognitive failure if one assumes you are actually replying. You are trying to change the subject to war time tax and inequities of the press as an evasion.

    Please, our constitution is at stake because this is all about constitutional intent.
     
  3. ChristopherABrown

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    Again you respond evading the issue which dispenses with your unfounded concerns.

    Preparatory amendment gets rid of all of the dangers you might point out trying to make Americans afraid if using their first constitutional right.

    What we have called free speech does not serve to protect life as the constitution intends. Perhaps you do not like constitutional intent.
     
  4. Reality

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    Now you're being an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) . I've not accused you of being a shil, I'll thank you to conduct yourself in a similar manner.
    A predatory amendment rids us of nothing.
    people exercise free speech but they don't often change constitutional provisions, with good reason
     
  5. ChristopherABrown

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    Intentionally misspelling that which your agenda direct to to avoid only further exposes your evasion and unaccountability.

    Evading comment upon the natural law purpose of free speech does the same.

    The notion of America entering into the most important political event since its formation is absurd, but you as ALEC, refuse even comment upon "Preparatory Amendment" which will work to assure all amendments have constitutional intent.
     
  6. Reality

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    Intentional misspelling? Quote me sparky.

    I didn't evade the comment. I gave you an answer you didn't like. People often exercise free speech. They do not often re-write the constitution, with good reason.
    You're not listening: Your convention (the plural form of you, not YOU specifically. IE YOUR FACTION, the faction you support etc) with prepatory amendment can STILL be subverted just as easily as any other. You're opening pandora's fricking box.
     
  7. ChristopherABrown

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    Ya, exercise, but it does not serve its natural law purpose. And you did intentionally misspell in an effort to distort. A cognitive distortion called " minimization".

    When I explained it is absurd for America to enter into an Article V convention without proper preparation to assure all amendments have constitutional intent, I indirectly stated it is a Pandora's box without it.

    Its clear you are not going to be accountable and recognize that preparation ending the abridging of free speech, securing the vote and reforming campaign finance changes Pandora's box into a festival of defense for rights and freedoms while protecting all that is sacred.

    It is clear you do not like constitutional intent and do not even want people discussing it. From your actions here posting it is also clear you are fine with ALEC hijacking an Article V, which they and their hundreds of supporting corporations are working on at this moment. It is clear because you are arguing against opposition to them with the design of assuring constitutional intent from amendments.

    All it takes is a little critical thinking applied to the content of your posts to see a thinly veiled agenda behind them

    I'm not going to post with you anymore because you are starting to repeat yourself with your obsufucations. To do so is a waste of time and space.
     
  8. Rickity Plumber

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    I'm down.
     
  9. yguy

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    Dunno where you get that idea, as A1S8C12 clearly empowers Congress to create and maintain a standing army.
     
  10. ChristopherABrown

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    For two years:)

    Maybe that is why so much meddling in foreign lands working to steal their resources has been so popular with American corporations since 1871.
     
  11. Reality

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    So let me see if I have this straight. I mispelled a word, exercise, and you take that to mean I have some overarching agenda the goal of which is to stymie your efforts? EDIT: It appears I mispelled Prepatory. An autocorrect error as I made that post on my phone. You've really gotta get some help dude. Not everything is about you personally, nor is everyone out to get you.
    Go see a psych professional dude.

    It would if you could guarantee it would function as you want it to. Which you can't. Which was my point. Do try to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing read.

    I'm not fine with them doing it, and I'm not fine with you doing it, because both of you are opening pandora's (*)(*)(*)(*)ing box. I have no problem with people talking about ANY subject, and they are certainly free to do so.

    Feel free to rant and then declare victory hoss. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

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    No, the BUDGETS are for 2 years at a time. They don't have to disband the army after 2 years.
     
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    For as many years as Congress sees fit to string 2 year appropriations together.
     
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    dude, the point is, only the power to provide for the common Defense is enumerated, not the common Offense or the general Warfare.
     
  14. ChristopherABrown

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    Correct. Add to that the history of presidential declarations of emergency and emergency orders, read "secret laws", and the constitution is pretty much removed from federal actions.
     
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    You're not making any sense.
     
  16. ChristopherABrown

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    Im agreeing with you and adding abuses of authority that work with the congressional appropriations by providing justifications for them. Albeit, unconstitutional.
     
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    No you're not. If you were, you would make sense.
     
  18. ChristopherABrown

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    That is cognitively incongruent with the facts of our exchange. Too bad you've been caught intentionally pretending what you pretend, it exposes an agenda not related to preserving freedom and justice, which is the pretense by which you are here.

    If you are not here to preserve freedom and justice, then your inability to recognize the cognitive consistency of my reply makes sense.
     
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    No doubt it appears that way to the cognitively impaired.

    Worse yet, I have no idea what it is I'm supposed to be pretending. :(

    Really, old bean, it's not quite cricket to project your own grandiose delusions onto others.
     
  20. ChristopherABrown

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    That does not have cognitive context like my stating you are here to bar understanding by fouling cognition with evasion and devotion rotating in fundamental denial of facts. My statements are congruent with the basis for continous unconstitutional war and consistent with yours after accepting congress continues appropriating for two year periods.

    Pretending you can't reason is not going to work. You'll just have to live with it dude. I agree with you.
     
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    They are not supposed to have the time to rule on every law passed throughout the country, I think they should be
     
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    what can't be handled by the lower courts is handled by the supreme courts, they would need a lot more supreme courts to handle every case in America, but then again, with that many supreme courts, isn't it the same thing, you will still need one supreme supreme court to have the final say
     
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    It is up to the U.S. Supreme Court to interpret the law.
     
  24. ChristopherABrown

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    You pretend you do not know what emergency order are and that they are basically secret laws because we can get no list of them.

    Pretending confusion that you are not pretending is not an effective debate tactic. Its a losers ploy.
     
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    The fundamental law is more supreme than any other laws.
     

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