A new study confirms that gun ownership increases the risk of suicide.

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Here.

    Firearm owners are about four times as likely to commit suicide as non-owners:
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    Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

    We all know gun ownership rates are higher in rural areas, and these rural areas have been experiencing higher rates of economic suffering in the wake of the Recession.

    Veterans also have much higher gun ownership rates than the general population, and have substantially elevated suicide rates, which are believed to be for a variety of other reasons.

    Furthermore, the white middle aged male suicide rate has also been very high, and this is fairly independent of gun ownership, and we all know this demographic group has higher rates of gun ownership than the general population.

    In conclusion, there are many correlations here, but they are not necessarily casual.

    That is, the same group(s) who has guns may be the same group(s) with elevated suicide risk, but it is not one causing the other, rather it is some third independent factor (or factors) causing both.
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe guns don't cause suicides it's people who think about suicide buy guns. Probably too complex for academics to factor into their studies.
     
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    Yes, there certainly is a personal life view that could be causing much of the correlation.

    Those who are strung up worrying about the risk of danger are also more likely to be under higher rates of stress.

    It also could be that the people who live in bad neighborhoods, worrying about being robbed, might be on a different socioeconomic level and could also be worrying about finances more, or their less certain status in society.
    The same type of worries that lead to them getting a gun could be connected to the other worries that result in higher rates of suicide.
    That is just a conjecture, however.
     
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    Did they do a study of people who hanged themselves with ropes or bedsheets too? I'd love to see a comparison.
     
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    I've been afraid of guns for over sixty years. That's why I only have four.:)
     
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    I guess so. But 572,000 lives lost in USA 1999-2016 is a problem which must be addressed.
     
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    Thus, gun dealers are enabling suicides.
     
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    Fortunately, many of those who tried to do so have survived. Here.

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    There's no requirement to be a certified mind reader to open a gun shop. If somebody passes the background check you have to sell them a gun. It is their enumerated right.

    And the Left always says that a person has the right to commit suicide without any outside interference.

    I interfered once and the guy lived at least a few more years that I know of. I moved on for a job and hope he's still kickin'.

    A man has got to get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.
     
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    I will agree that people concerned about committing suicide should avoid owning a gun.
     
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    And rope dealers? And razorblade dealers?
     
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    Don't forget pet supply stores.
     
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    The so-called "study" is not new, but rather a simple rehashing of previous so-called "studies" presenting the same argument that have been presented over the years. There is nothing new to be found within it, that has not been found in every other so-called "study" alleging the same thing. It is even offered and presented by the same individuals responsible for the previous so-called "studies."

    The only new information presented in the so-called "study" is the admission that the firearm-related restrictions of the state of California, including the ten-day wait before an individual can legally take possession of a firearm, do absolutely nothing whatsoever to discourage or otherwise prevent individuals from using a firearm for the purpose of ending their own existence.

    Thus, nothing short of a complete and total prohibition of all firearms, and drastic efforts of removing every last one from society, will ever make a meaningful difference, so there is no point in even trying. Your citation and proven the futility and hopelessness of the united states even bothering to address the matter of firearm-related suicides.
     
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    I am neither Liberal nor Conservative. All Humans are G-d's creations -- all Humans have innate worth.
     
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    How can Society prevent them from owning a gun?
     
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    This is a new study reaffirming old results. Sadly gun ownership greatly increases suicide risk.
     
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    Yeah man, but go ahead here and try to say any person does not have a right to commit suicide.
     
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    A suicide attempt by gun is more likely to be successful. So there is a causal relationship between guns and suicide.
     
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    It can't, and society should not be in the business of trying to protect people from themselves.
     
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    It cannot. Nor should it feel inclined to attempt undertaking such an effort.
     
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    The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaningful difference does such actually make?
     
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    More accurately it is just repeating old, unproven lies presented by those attempting to push a political narrative above all else.

    It does not. Nor has such ever been proven to be factually correct. It is nothing more than the causation/correlation substitution fallacy. The citation on the part of yourself does nothing except undermine the position of those who argue more firearm-related restrictions will serve to prevent firearm-related suicides from being committed, as it admits such has not been the case.
     
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    A new study confirms that gun ownership increases the risk of suicide.
    :lol:
    If that were true the US would have the highest suicide rate in the world.
    We don't.
    So much for that.
    :lol:
     
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    What's the source of your information?
     

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