A Preventative School Shooting Solution...Arm The Staff

Schools should have at least much protection as the black robes in the court house get

In fact if I had choose I’d say protect the schools before the judges

 

Ms FoxHastings, whenever you want to discuss the subject rationally, you know where to find me.

 

Soldiers, one of the most underpaid, underappreciated (at least by some liberals), most frustrating jobs in the world, use them pretty effectively.

 

Conceal carry individuals in Florida have 1/10th the crime rate as certified police.

 

Translation : "I'm stumped"....


...and it's such a simple question: IF EVERYONE has a gun then we are all safe !!!!!! CORRECT?



Gun advocates just can't be pleased...argue with them and they are mad, agree with them and they still don't agree!!!



Tell them they should have what they want and they get all in a tither!...and claim the OTHER side isn't rational.....

 

I don't know why I'm going to play this little game, but what the hell ...

No.

Everybody doesn't get to bring firearms to school. Students may not. Trained and vetted adult staff members, security personnel, and police. That's it.

Satisfied?

 

according to mother jones, about 2/3 of mass shootings have been done with handguns. Only about 25% have used ARs or any other rifle.

 

But that may be only one or two people.......how can they be where they need to be ? Maybe they won't be where students are getting shot.

If one or tweo people with guns make the school safe then why wouldn't more people with guns make the school safer?

Why can't students have guns, they can buy and own them, why can't they bring them to school?

In EVERY "gun" thread there is ALWAYS the good ol' gun supporter boys saying how back in the day they "" brought them thar rifles and shotguns to school in their pickups..""..and saw nothing wrong with it.....people take their kids to gun ranges to teach them to shoot so obviously kids can learn to use guns, too.

Don't you agree with those gun right advocates?

 

Having some armed and trained people in the school is better than having none.

Because it's not for everybody. Don't argue with me about that. That's just a fact. It's for trained, mature adults who are willing. Come to think of it, having me there in a school would make it safer, and if there was ever shooting I would run to it and stop it.

Children cannot buy guns. It is the responsibility of adults to provide security in schools. What do you want? Child police officers too?

They are speaking of a bygone era.

I agree that you can teach a kid to shoot. I taught my son when he was twelve, and we went chukar hunting together for the first time. But there is no equivalence between a parent going hunting with his child and sending kids off to school with weapons for self defense, and again, you know it. Save the bs for someone else please.

Seth

 

If more parents did that, firearms would be a lot less scary to the population as a whole.

Why do you think the lib/progs got rid of doing that at schools?

 

What was I saying about Clint Eastwood wannabees who think real life is just like the movies....

It's children who are doing the shooting....why not arm their peers? NO, YOU want ONLY those YOU approve of to have guns....but you want NO restrictions for yourself.
Teenagers easily get guns and use them....why shouldn't teenagers be armed?

They were justifying kids taking guns to school.

Uh, don't know where you've been but kids DO go off to school with guns and shoot lots of people....why are you denying these kids the right to defend themselves?

Oh ya, you and all the other millions of Eastwoods and Rambos will monitor every inch of every school and , just like on TV and in the movies , you'll save everyone without a scratch....HILARIOUS...

Uh, shooters aren't chukar...

 

so we stop mass-shootings by arming everyone in the USA?

God help us if that is the solution.

 

Ms FoxHastings, I'm a retired police officer. I did 33 years of rushing to danger and protecting people. And, by the way, I've been scratched before. And a few times, I just got lucky. The guy who shot at me, he missed and the bullet shattered against a concrete wall behind me. The guy reaching into his car for a gun changed his mind when he saw me draw. The guy hiding behind the door that I didn't see didn't kill me. The guy threatening to kill me with his machete surrendered. And more ...

I'm not anything special. I'm not Dirty Harry, and I'm not a heavily muscled man with tattoos all over. But I've been there, done that. I know what fear feels like, and I know how to suppress fear and just get the job done. And, I have a plan, and I know what I'm doing. There are many like me. When I was young, I learned the mindset from the older ones.

And now I'm the older one, and I teach the younger ones. And I know what I can do with a novice. Give me two weeks with someone who is mature, willing, and who has a median fitness level, and I will give them skills that will give them an option to just waiting for their turn to be murdered.

I'm through talking about your disingenuous idea of arming the children and deflecting the conversation to a bygone era that is not coming back.

Seth

 

Flower power I guess ...

 

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Yes, I am so sure you are ...sure took a long time to come up with that .....but then movie scripts aren't written overnight.

I have no idea what this Hallmark movie has to do with the FACT that children use guns, gun advocates LIKE CHILDREN to use guns , there is no reason children can't carry guns.

Teenagers shoot up schools yet you do not want teenagers to carry guns to protect themselves....you allegedly give your 12 year old a gun but don't want other kids to have protection at school ??!!!

No, what happened was some of that "Guns Save and Protect Us" got thrown back at you in a logical way , that is:



If Guns are Good, Guns are safe, they protect you from the bad guy so you should be armed...then EVERYONE should be armed.

So you DIDN'T give your 12 year old a gun?

Uh, no, that's a gross misrepresentation (lie) of me quoting gun advocates/pushers who say in every thread on guns that they brought guns to school when they were teens, rifles and shotguns in their pickups and so SAW NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.....

 

It's the truth. Believe it or don't.

You watch Hallmark movies? I wouldn't have guessed.

What it had to do with is that an armed, trained and willing adult can make a difference if someone starts shooting in a school. Or the workplace, for that matter, or at any other "soft target" where people congregate, and when there are no police immediately present.

Children of appropriate age may handle and shoot guns under adult supervision.

No, I don't want school children caring guns for self defense to school.

My 12 year old was only able to handle or shoot his gun when I was with him.

You've been sarcastic and argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. But logical? "Everyone should be armed." Well, just forget about it. You're talking to the wrong guy about it.

I gave him a gun as a present, however he couldn't access it without me.

They are noting how times have changed, that's all. "Back in the day" there were Rifle Marksmanship clubs at school. They remember that "back in the day" a teenager with a .22 rifle for Marksmanship Club was not thought of as any big deal. But "Back in the day" we weren't dealing with mass murders at school. Times have changed, and there is no realistic way to go back to the old days.

 

Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Automatic fire is used to suppress enemy fire. Single shot is used to put down an enemy. When was the last time you heard of a SWAT team member open up in full auto mode?
Those that argue that use of guns to stop a criminal is rare, are really arguing against themselves. If the need to protect yourself with a gun is so rare there's nothing to worry about, then back off gun control because "there's nothing to worry about".

 

As usual, right wing lunatics only solution is more guns. The fallacy that some armed civilian is going to turn into a super hero and save the day. Their paranoid fantasies end up getting more people killed. Let's arm all the teachers and turn schools into prisons. Let's give the stressed out and underpaid teachers firearms. What could possibly go wrong? Absolutely crazy and idiotic.

Of course any mention of sensible gun control is met with the black and white paranoia of grabbing all guns. It's impossible to reason with people like this. It's clear the only way any action is going to be taken to protect our kids is through marginalizing these nutjobs at the polls. They've demonstrated they are fine with children being murdered as long as they can prepare for the day they might have to overthrow the government. Absolutely detestable, deplorable jokes.

 

That's what the Boss (Trump) says.

Teachers and staff at least.

 

why not address the actual problem?

right, i know, you guys oppose background checks

 

Nope.

Why would we be?