A Primer on Social & Sexual Policy in Communist Countries

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    As a well traveled person, I've had the privilege of learning a lot of things. Some of these things include what communism in actual communist countries is really like, as distinct from what western liberals believe communism is like.

    tl;dr -- all of the socially liberal stuff that could be found in early communist philosophy, and which is still found in western communist musings, has been abandoned by literally every communist country that exists.

    China
    In China you need to apply for a permit before you have a child. In some prefectures, such as Beijing prefecture, having a child outside of marriage is illegal. If you have such a child they will either try to make you have an abortion, or if they can't make the woman have an abortion they will put the child up for adoption and sterilize the woman. In other prefectures it is not technically illegal to have a child outside of marriage but good luck getting a permit as a single mother; it won't happen.

    Gay marriage is of course illegal and pro-gay dialogue faces government censorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China#Freedom_of_expression_and_censorship

    North Korea
    North Korea is harder to quantify since information about the country largely comes from defectors whose stories don't always add up. This is not as strange as it might sound if you have lived in east Asia; far more things are handled unofficially or under the table than are in the west. Here is a recent article on the subject: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/29/ask-a-north-korean-safe-sex-condoms-contraception

    Vietnam
    Same sex marriages are technically legal in Vietnam, in the sense that you can have one, it just won't receive any form of government recognition or support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Vietnam#Recognition_of_same-sex_relationships

    Cuba
    Same sex marriage is illegal in Cuba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Cuba#Legal_recognition_of_same-sex_unions

    Venezuela
    Not legally recognized in Venezuela: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Venezuela#Re

    It should probably go without saying that things like transvestite rights and whatever else people might come up with are not even considered issues in these countries.

    One response to this might be that these countries will liberalize over time, but if communism and social liberalism go together, why are all of the non-communist countries socially liberal and all of the communist countries are socially conservative?
     

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