A question about the upcoming election for Trump haters

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  1. Heartburn

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    How? Vote Democrat and they will work something out for you.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would be happy news - especially given Bidens announcement that he is against pipelines - a stance that will harm 1) the environment 2) energy security 3) economy - but, I don't agree with you.
     
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    You are pissing me off - because such sentiments are the reason Red is losing. Did you not hear about the States that put the Abortion cut-off to 6 weeks ? Settled issue in your mind perhaps - but not in the mind of the voter.

    Obamacare was lipstick on a pig - did nothing to address the systemic issues which have resulted in 3.5 Trillion dollars spent on Healthcare (2017) - The total Federal revenue for that year was 3.6 Trillion - to put things in perspective.

    YET - Blue are somehow seen as the champions of HC ? Why has Red not addressed this horrifying spend and put forward a coherent plan.

    I don't give a sht what two people want to call their civil Union - and neither does any person who respects the founding principles and principles of Republicanism. When some special interest group wants to force a business owner to add a 3rd bathroom on this basis - now we have problems.

    Instead Red is seen as the "anti gay" party - and deservedly so.

    Of course 2 of my positions are are aligned with Blue (abortion and gay marriage) - not every blue policy is Bad -
    My positions align with "REPUBLICANISM" - start using your brain instead of desperately clinging to ad hom fallacy.

    I hate both Red and Blue Establishment - for reasons you can not refute - get it - got it - good.

    The worst of your offences the above is. Bad arguments on the Right are just as bad as bad arguments on the left. The reason they are bad is because they don't convince anyone of anything - except the already converted.

    I have given you a couple of "good" arguments against Blue - perhaps start with those.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you think of no way that someone without a fixed street address could be enabled vote ? - perhaps you need to try harder.
     
  5. Pycckia

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    I am baffled. Perhaps you can tell me.
     
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    Have all the folks living on the reserve vote at the closest polling station - boy ... that was tough.

    Something you also might want to consider is that everyone else debating on the red side was able to figure out that this was voter suppression.
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    What is the "reserve?"

    So you propose letting anyone who wanders into a polling station vote? What is to prevent them from voting twice?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indian Reserve - the place where Indians live.

    Same thing that prevents anyone else from voting twice - by name and location.
     
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    OK. We usually call that a reservation. In any case, Indians on reservations do have addresses.

    But without voter id and no fixed address, how do you determine name and location?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not say they did not have ID... just no street address.
     
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    Fair enough. But does this mean you endorse the idea of voter ID.

    In any case, the name is not enough. There are many George Millers in this country.

    And you did claim that location was involved in verifying the individuals ability to vote. How do you check that location data?
     
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    Where do they live? We have discussed Native Americans and I can see why that is a problem and it should be addressed. It will have to be done through the tribal system on the Rez but it could and should be done. Living in a tent and pooping on the street? Meh!
     
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    Absolutely there should be some form of voter ID - and we could easily do it and not have it be tied to any address. A card with a chip in it - or some security -issued to every voter.

    The " Mike Smith" argument is weak - there will likely be a few who have the same name - these Reservations are not big - this is not a massive voter fraud risk - even if it were to happen - nothing compared to the nastiness of voter suppression. This all assumes we do not have a voter card - which is the most logical fix to all of this.

    Option 2 - no voter card - put a polling station on the reserve - have them count the votes. Done.

    Yup - the issue needs to be addressed. We are not Somalia. As for the homeless - the voter card is the fix.

    Now - if we want to make the case for some kind of restriction - I am not against this .. I am actually quite for it.

    I say that the voter card should be issued - prior to some kid finishing High School - closer to the end. That card however comes with a class - in what voting actually means - knowing the founding principles - and what constitutes legitimate Gov't Authority.

    Only then is one qualified to vote - IMO. All immigrants must take the course in order to get the card - and the media required to do some educational segments prior to the vote - on the above.

    Without knowledge of the very basics - we are not talking quantum mechanics here - there is no such thing as a functional democratic process.

    It is not like this is not something that has not been discussed throughout history - we have some material to work with. Why can we not engage in a tiny bit of "social engineering" - with respect to tailoring the demographic of who we let into this nation - and at minimum educate them in what this nation was founded on

    "Respect for Individual Liberty" - that there are limits to the Gov'ts ability to mess with "Essential Liberty"

    So when some person shows up at the border with "I hate essential liberty" tattooed to their forehead .. (showing up in the halloween costume being one example) perhaps we might want to reconsider letting them in - but I digress.

    Back to previous line - Agree so far ? Do you wish Totalitarianism or should the power of Gov't be limited ? "NO NO NO" the crowd yells - "We don't want Totalitarianism"

    OK - Great - what then should the power of Gov't be limited to - and why - as per the founding principles.

    If you can not answer this question correctly - then you should not be voting.
     
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    You should compare their schedules, Biden and Trump. Biden’s out working the “younger” Trump.

    The only thing that is unusual is Trump, he’s an attention whore. For a supposed Marketing genius he doesn’t understand the basics. He’s exhausting the electorate with his daily nonsense.
     
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    Nah, he's just using the Bully Pulpit.
     
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    He won by one vote?:rolleyes:
     

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