A question for Agnostics...

You've already backtracked on the original conversation. As for our off-topic discussions, refer to the threads in which they occurred or start a new one. If you are willing to engage in an intellectually honest discussion about either of those topics, I will likely join. But since your memory here is as unreliable as your memory of the discussion we were just talking about, here's a reminder: I went more than "10 rounds" in each of those discussions. You constantly refused to engage with any of the evidence I presented while demanding that I respond to basement YouTubers . . . which I did. You did not reciprocate. You still haven't addressed 99% of what I said in the Holocaust debates and you never responded to any of the mathematical, thought experiment, or direct observational data in the physics "debate."

Shouldn't be difficult for any intellectually honest person to deduce. But if you want to talk about any of these off-topic issues, refer to the threads in which they occurred or start a new one.

Your mutually-exclusive definitions have already been torn apart. You say that theists believe in a god or gods and that atheists deny the existence of gods out of one side of your mouth, and then out of the other side of your mouth you say that atheists can believe in gods. In fact, you said that EVERYONE believes in a god . . . which would make everyone a theist . . . while also saying that agnostics can't be theists . . . and claiming to be an agnostic yourself. You have yet to produce anything consistent. If you want to try again, then try again. But you have a lot to work out before your definitions are ready for actual discussion, since they are self-contradictory.

And please don't pretend that your "extensive education" matters when you **** on the education of anyone who disagrees with you, including pretty much every mainstream physicist and historian.

 

Just because you are not capable of adding it up by no means means I backtracked LOL

I already debunked your nonsense, you go back and stop pretending it never happened.

I posted citations you posted your armchair commando unsupported opinions, HEY JUST LIKE NOW! wow!

My memory is very reliable, face it you cant quote your claims.

Again you cant quote here or in the threads the discussions took place.

When you post a water reservoir outside the camp to prove its not an olympic swimming pool that was dug beside the barracks and even though I posted pictures of both, you laughably expect everyone to be too stupid to not know the difference.

Projection. What a stupid thing to post since MIT has physics lessons on youtube.
See you simply ignore evidence and like the bird call yoru version an "honest" "good faith" debate, puhlease!

I debunked it with citations that you ignored, in fact I also remember you left the debate when I posted the biography stating the pool was dug beside the barracks for the prisoners, you vanished!

Thats why you never quote, just falsely paraphrase to misrepresent your being fully debunked.

All posts/accusations/claims without quotes are lies, you did not quote, therefore the above post has to be considered a lie.

More bullshit, I posted ron hatches work again you vaporized from the discussion.

Thats why I insist certain members: All posts/accusations/claims without quotes are lies, you did not quote, therefore the above post has to be considered a lie.

See another fabrication

Yeh little outside your computational abilities aint it?

Koalemus is a very popular atheist god.

yes, agnostics are exclusive, atheists are exclusive and theists are exclusive.

I realize this is very confusing to you but there is a limit to how much can be expressed in crayola

No need, you wont fair any better than you did the first time, but if you think you can you are welcome to take your best shot: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-113
the thread already exists, go for it. ( I know you wont but the offer stands )

More academic sludge, they are not 'my' definitions, they are created in unversities, you choose to ignore them and accuse me of creating them, then claim I am not intellctually honest same as the bird, and neither of you quote a damn thing, then pretend no one knows why.

I post valid citations from universities you post beer farts and belches transfered from your mothers basement.

 

So all you have are attempts to drag the conversation off topic and ad homs. Great. I'll try one more time to get you to respond. How do you reconcile claiming that atheists are theists with the claim that theism and atheism are mutually exclusive? If atheists have a god (and you claim they do), then the are theists. Your claims are self-refuting. When confronted by the fact that your claims are contradictory, you run away. Why? Why not just clarify? If you can't have an honest discussion, then you can go back on iggy.

I'll try to simplify one more time. You have claimed that:
1) Theists believe in a god or gods
2) Atheists believe there are not gods
3) Atheists believe in a god
4) Agnostics are neutral on the existence or non-existence of God
5) Everyone (theist, atheist, and agnostic) believes in a god

These can't be reconciled. They are mutually exclusive claims. Crack open a Logic 101 book and check out the Law of Noncontradiction. Should be in chapter 1 or 2 at the latest.

 

Since I appreciate it when certain members put me on iggy, I will refrain from responding until later, do you think you can talk another member into putting me on iggy too?

They do the same thing you do, constant barrage of strawman, false representations and name calling.

So you have no intention of debating me in the holocaust thread huh? I gave you the link. Frankly I dont blame you as you know full well you atr totally outgunned!

 

I already tried debating you on the Holocaust thread. You wouldn't engage with the facts. Just like you blatantly misrepresented the whole "swimming pool" discussion both here and there. If I got anything wrong about your claims, point it out. So far the arguments you've made are self-contradictory. You say that atheists believe there are no gods, but that they also believe in a god. You say that a theist is someone who believes in a god or gods, and that atheists also believe in a god, but that you can't be an atheist and a theist. These are all statements you have made. You can call it a strawman all you want, but these are your own arguments. If you really thought anything here was a wrong/misrepresented, you'd say so. Instead, you are upset about being caught and are trying to go to your Holocaust revisionism instead.

 

Some say they's gold up in them thar hills. Some say they ain't. Some ain't a knowin either way. All I know is that the only way to know fer sure, is to be up in them thar hills a lookin till yer satisfied that there is or there ain't. And all the gabbing in the world ain't arriving at nothing more than more gabbing. Heck, even an infant knows to shut up and suckle. In point, I know that God is real, that he lives and is divine.

 

As long as you don't expect that to be proof for anyone else, and you haven't, then sounds good to me. And there's something to be said for the merit of experience of the search in the first place.

 

He has never tried to, because he knows he can't. Same as when he says not believing X is so is the same as believing X doesn't exist, yet he neither believes X exists nor that it doesn't exist.

He contradicts himself constantly, refuses to clarify, demands you quote what he just claimed as if he can't remember, and launches into strings of of pointless adhom. But what do I know? I am just "the bird".

Every single time. I haven't even had an actual argument with the guy yet. All it has been is him contradicting himself over and over again, me seeking clarification and a coherent position from him, and him thumping his chest declaring victory (of what?).

I did that a few times, but others keep responding to him and at the end of the day he can be an entertaining buffoon sort of troll, so he comes off the Iggy.

And note he again didn't clarify for you, instead flexing at you again. If he took an honest position on anything the trolling act would be over and it would defeat his entire purpose of being here.

 

Also, I think he should take note that it isn't just you, the bird, Swensson (who has been amazingly patient with him in this thread), and Injeun who have pointed this out, but nearly every single person who has posted here. That really should snap somebody out of such a trance of self absorption. Either he is a troll or a very very dedicated crackpot.

I wasn't aware he is a holocaust denier, but it doesn't surprise me. I also wouldn't be surprised if he thinks Elvis is alive, the moon landing was faked, and the earth is a flat disc.

 

Nah, I dont deny the holocaust, ym is just pissed because I can never figure out which holocaust I am supposed to have denied.

Theres been so damn many!




Now when you all want to quit accusing me of **** I will quit proving them as fabrications.

I fully acknowledge the holocaust is real and anyone who claims otherwise is not telling truth, nothing new about that though.

Swensson? I gave swensson the face palm many times through out that thread, thats all you got to post blatant fabrications.

Injeun? Seriously? We can have a preacher contest! LOL

I gave you people the thread if you want to discuss one of those holocausts, I am sure edna would appreciate it if you took it where it belongs, so stop attacking me i this thread.

 

He is, but let me go into more detail. He denies that the Nazis engaged in a Holocaust against the Jews . . . which is what any rational person would call a Holocaust denier. He tries to get around it by saying he isn't a Holocaust denier because he believes that the Jews were the ones who committed a Holocaust against the Nazis. Yes, I'm serious. That's what he claims. He's also openly praised Hitler on the forums. I know a mod is going to get mad at me for saying so, but this is something that he has literally admitted to. You can ask him. It's one of the few straight stories you can get.

He also denies relativity. But both topics are a distraction. He doesn't want to address his contradictory claims here, so he's trying to bait people into one of his conspiracy theories.

 

Seems thats not true

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-107#post-1073087486
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-107#post-1073087185
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-73#post-1072015682

If you insist on jerking everyone around at least make it believable.




Do you remember gilligans island and the castaways?

Great tune, I listened to the whole thing!

Check it out,

Ginger has some kool dance moves!

The opening verse is top shelf!

 

Its pretty insane to claim the nazis would perform a sacred jewish holocaust ritual offering to G-D?
But we already know how truthful you are in your posts as proven above.

Seriously why would the nazis perform the Jewish holocaust 'Olah' ritual (sacrificial offering) to the Jewish G-D when most of them were catholic? WTF?

 

Can you stop posting all those easily provable blatantly untruthful accusations in this thread now?

I told you anyone wants to get their asses handed to them take it to the holcaust thread and stop baiting me here to force me into defending myself in bthegreats thread.

I dont see ym there, or the bird for that matter.

 

Nothing I've said is untruthful. And I was the one who tried to convince you to take the Holocaust discussion to the Holocaust thread. You are the one who keeps bringing it back up and refuses. But, hey, if you have now completely changed your mind and no longer wish to discuss the Holocaust here, then join me in WHAT I ASKED YOU TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. Deal?

No one was talking about the Holocaust until you brought it up, and I have tried more than once to get you to leave it for a thread where it is actually topical. You are the one who keeps dredging it up.

 

It is notable that in his response post to you, in which you told me he doesn't believe the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, but the Jews tried to exterminate the Nazis, he squabbled but didn't deny this is his position, which absolutely anybody else would, unless they actually do hold that view. As usual, he wants to squabble over wording instead of actually address the shocking position he holds (or you've told me he holds and he hasn't denied).

You have to quote him! And when you do, he will ignore it and you'll have wasted the effort. We've seen this over and over and over in this thread.

 

Swensson was incredibly patient with you. Mind blowingly patient with you. He showed you your own contradictions, tolerated your berating with mislabeled (and therefore erroneous) truth tables, "crayolas", a bunch of links to completely irrelevant and obvious things in patronizing ways, etc. And he proved your claims wrong, as you pretended to prove him wrong.

Injeun believes something I find irrational (God belief) but the man is otherwise sensible and he is internally consistent unlike yourself. He is also able to carry a coherent and productive conversation unlike yourself. He's wrong in my view (and I'm wrong in his) but he isn't a crackpot or a troll like you are.

 

Preacher contest? Are you a preacher now? Did you switch sides again?

 

bullshit you made a grand total of 3 posts in the holocausr thread and the one to me was the muslim comment nothing to do with the holocaust

 

Im sorry you find 101 english so difficult

 

That wasn't the only thread I was in, and no, I didn't just post 3 posts even in that thread. Took me less than 10 seconds to find posts you had missed. Major fail.

 

which I 'proved' in fact were not. At least I understand the english language hows that working for ya?

 

You said the holocaust thread, now that I PROVED that what you claimed was bullshit, now you want to back pedal.

 

You have not addressed the contradictions in your claims. You've run away every time, either with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories or with intellectually dishonest slights about literacy.

 

There have been multiple Holocaust threads. And you were even wrong about me only making 3 posts in that thread. You've proven nothing except an inability to use the forum search feature.