A question for left wing college professors pushing socialism

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  1. Ph3iron

    Ph3iron Banned

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    Everyone knows? Wow.
    Are you in college?
    My 2 college daughters laugh.
    Their medical profs never have said socialism is wonderful.
    Tend to teach medical subjects.
    They are too busy studying to worry about socialism
    It's just embedded in your brain
    Presume you are not sucking off your socialist Medicare and SS and VA?
     
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    Presume you are going to give up your socialist Medicare, SS VA benefits?
     
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    Social programs aren't socialism.
     
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    Agreed. It's just common sense.
     
  5. XploreR

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    I'd actually like to make two points in response to your post regarding governments and their role in people's lives. When the founding fathers established the current government under the U.S. Constitution, the total population of the new U.S. was around 3 million, with a substantial percentage of that being enslaved persons. The total population of the planet at that time was under 1 billion. The population of the U.S today (228 years later) is 333 million, and the population of the Earth is about 7.5 billion. The U.S. Constitution was written out of desperation, after several of our leaders at the time became increasingly aware of and concerned about the need for and lack of governmental authority in the new United States. Between independence in 1776, and the inauguration of our first President, the country was ruled under the Articles of Confederation--a government lacking both Judicial and Executive branches, as well as many necessary powers for effective governance. This transition from Articles of Confederation to U.S. Constitution illustrates my first point. As population grows, so does the complexities for maintaining a healthy, vibrant, successful society. Increasing population demands increasing attention to rules and regulations to maintain society. Otherwise, with every individual doing whatever they wished, with total disregard toward those around them, society would simply implode from within.

    My second point is that government is a human institution, much like any other human institution, such as a business, a church, a hospital, a non-profit humanitarian group, etc., and like any of those, has the potential to be as good or destructive as those we place in charge of its daily functions. Growing population led the founding fathers to the recognition that some form of more capable government was needed for the success of our new nation. Today we face a similar problem globally. With the population nearing 10 billion, some form of government capable of addressing the human issues across national boundaries is becoming increasingly apparent. Global warming is one example, but the human trauma of massive migrations of war refugees is another. These types of unresolvable issues will continue to mount over time because we have no institution in place to deal with them successfully now. Status-quo thinking conservatives will always resist the changes necessary to deal with these larger issues, but deal with them we must--as a planetary society--if we are to survive. There is nothing inherently "bad" in government, but there is always the possibility of government falling under the control of "bad" persons. Government is always a reflection of those we place in its command. We must be thoughtful, diligent and careful in that choice.
     
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    Agreed. . .but it IS an element of any civilized, compassionate society, including socialist ones.
     
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    I would give up my social security in a heartbeat after 43 years of my company's i worked for paying into it...

    One big check please and thank you..


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    Hiding behind the apron strings of Uncle Sam..

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    Social Security was designed as an insurance program, not a handout. The misgivings of conservatives and capitalists are misguided and misplaced.
     
  10. logical1

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    And this mornings news reports the fine socialist country of Venezuela has held an illegal election and in now in the hands of a dictator. Socialism is great for the people in charge. The rest of the people not so much.
     
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    Progressive socialists always expect a different outcome:confuse: Somehow they convince themselves that socialism can work, it's just that everyone else who's tried and failed, didn't do it right:confuse:
     
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    Great idea.

    The fact is that conservatives pushed for this during the Bush '43 years, and still offer it as an option. During the Bush years, when the financial collapse of social security was actually honestly discussed, several proposals were suggested which would allow people to opt out and they would receive no benefits, variations in the ideas were over how much of the SS taxes they paid in over the years would be returned to them (0 to half) and how much SS taxes they would continue to pay (0 to half).

    As for me, let me out of SS. Keep what I have paid in, just exempt me from paying SS tax (me and my employer) ever again. I won't ever ask for SS benefits.

    Medicare is tougher because the govt is so deeply entwined in health care, there is no private or free market health care and there has not been for decades. Get the govt out of health care, health insurance, pharmaceuticals, and I will gladly engage in free market health care.
     
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    Venezuela's problem is corruption, not socialism.
     
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