A question for the pro abortion people

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by logical1, May 18, 2019.

  1. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whoop-dee. Do you want a medal?


    She didn't have a choice. Abortion was illegal.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are a man. You have not conceived any children.
     
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  3. dairyair

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    When does life end?
    The beginning of life should be the same as the end of life.
    Why would there be a difference?

    But you are wrong. Sperm is life. Eggs are life.
     
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  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In case you didn't know it takes two to conceive. Have you figured out yet that gay couples just can't do it?
     
  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But when sperm and egg unite, they create a unique life. A unique individual with unique chromosomes
     
  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Those 2 living things join in some cases to form another living thing. Yes.

    So you agree, sperm is life and eggs are life.
     
  7. dairyair

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    Gay people certainly can.

    Today, though, a woman can conceive without ever having sex.

    Definition of conceive


    transitive verb

    1a: to become pregnant with (young)
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conceive
     
  8. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you argue she should have had a choice? In your case....maybe.
    Yeah Dairyair, why don't you explain how two gay men can conceive....you're the expert.
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that they are living cells from the respective donor. Like skin cells that we sluff off. Once the sperm and egg unite however, there is a spark of a new life separate and unique from either donor. I am happy to explain these things to you. Will be overjoyed to answer any further questions.
     
  10. Daniel Light

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    Like thousands of heterosexual couples, they would use a surrogate. Gay does not mean sterile, dude.
     
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    OOOOOOh! A surrogate, I see. You need to call in a third party because you have to bypass the natural process. Of course a man married to a donkey could have a surrogate and comply with your argument. Two sperms do not make a baby "dude"! The question was "why don't you explain how two gay men can conceive."
     
  12. dairyair

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    Well, if you mean participate in a conception since definition #1 was to become pregnant.

    They can still have sex with women. Gay only means they have an attraction to same sex. Not that they can't have sex with the opposite sex.
    Another was is to donate sperm.

    Does all this really need to be explained?
     
  13. dairyair

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    So much for life begins at conception then.

    I am glad you were able to clear that up. Thx.
     
  14. yabberefugee

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    No I understand the perversion. Like most good liberals, you always try to take the exception and paint it as the rule!
     
  15. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes...I explained that quite well. There is a spark of life when egg and sperm unite. Don't get down on your self when you spank the monkey. Their death is no more than lost hair and the only genetic pattern they represent is your own.
     
  16. dairyair

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    What rule?
    You claimed gay males can't conceive. That is pure BS.
    Many gay men have been married to women. Have had children and raised those kids. IE, they had family.

    You are trying to claim gay people can't have kids. That is your perversion of reality.
     
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    Yes, you explained it quite well.
    It is why I thanked you.
    Sperm and eggs are life.
    And if they join, it's possible for that joining to begin another process of those 2 living things to form another living thing. Everyone knows this.
    I don't think anyone ever, has denied this.
     
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    Straight couples cannot always conceive. My lesbian sister in law is a veteran, is married to another female, adopted and raised a happy, self-confident son and has done more for the cause of life than you.

    To answer your question, the gay men need a surrogate and a turkey baster.
     
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    There is no individual before consciousness. Unique chromosomes? So what? Cancer has unique chromosomes but there's no need to cry when we cut out a tumor. A fertilized egg is no more a person than a blueprint is a house.
     
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    Natural is irrelevant to moral arguments. It's just an excuse for bias against those who are different.

    It's possible to create a limitless number of people from just one person's cells. That is what cloning is, and they are separate individuals much like identical twins.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...le-as-scientists-create-live-offspring-w/amp/
     
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    That is, gay couples cannot produce kids. They must compromise their relationship and bring in a third party.....period.
     
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    So the unnatural is very relevant to those championing perverted lifestyles.
     
  23. yabberefugee

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    I'm glad for your son. He has survived a "pretend mother and father". You know nothing about me but I am honored to have a space in your imaginations.....just don't get kinky.
     
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    No. Natural is just irrelevant for almost any argument. Appeal to nature is even a logical fallacy. Note that appealing to nature is not unique to conservatives disliking homosexuality or abortion. Liberals do it too in disliking GMOs and thinking a raw food or a paleo diet is healthier because it's natural. Nature has plenty of toxins and carcinogenic substances just as labs do.
     
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    So do many hetero couples that are incapable of having kids together.
    So what?
    Your point is irrelevant.

    If the gay couple use 3rd party help while being in agreement, that is hardly compromising the relationship. If fact, they'd likely say it's enhancing the relationship.
     
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