A question for the pro abortion people

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by logical1, May 18, 2019.

  1. Bowerbird

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    Ooooooh! I GOT one!

    Someone completely unaware of the facts!

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    Out of every 100 women relying on a condom for contraception 13 will become pregnant in that year. That is 13 unwanted pregnancies of which around 40% will be terminated
     
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    Who exactly is "pro abortion"?
     
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    To answer they may show a person who they claim "brags" about getting an abortion...it proves nothing.

    They confuse "Pro-Choice" (something they hate) with "Pro-abortion" because they don't seem to know what words mean.

    There are so many things wrong with the post you quoted....for instance , NO one has said a human fetus isn't human.

    Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts.

    "Babies" are not aborted.
     
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    Science says it is, as opposed to its current living arrangement saying it isn't.
     
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    NO one has said that a human fetus is not human.
     
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    Use whatever terminology you please, but these people are doing/supporting/allowing/tolerating infanticide.
     
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    I don't.
     
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    What "medical necessity"?
     
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    Anything that may endanger the life of the mother, the life of other embryos (as in triplets, etc.) mental health reasons, diabetes, and a number of other issues. Trying to place the mother into a one-size-fits-all shoebox, as many anti-abortionists do, is asinine.
     
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    Moronic statement on your part since an embryo is not an infant.
     
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    The medical necessity of - certain - abortions.
    Right?
     
  12. Daniel Light

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    Since the physiology of every woman is slightly different - from the shape of her uterus to the curve of her spine (yes, women with scoliosis can be at extreme risk in a pregnancy) to her mental condition - this is something that needs to be left up to the woman and her doctors.
     
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    So, not EVERY abortion is medically necessary, as implied by your statement.
     
  14. Daniel Light

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    Since you don't know the specifics of every abortion, you'll have to accept that it may be. Unless you want to FORCE a woman to release her medical information, mental health information and rape status, you have to allow the woman to make that decision. Do you think you have the right to another person's medical records?
     
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    NO, Pro-Choicers are NOT advocating "infanticide" in anyway. Abortion does not kill infants.

    They don't do/support/allow/tolerate anything but women's right to CHOOSE......the right to bodily autonomy, the SAME right everyone else has.
     
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    Agreed. There are exceptions to the general rule, but that doesn't change the general rule.
     
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    And since the rule is that abortion is legal and that the mother has rights that supersede those of an embryo, guess the issue is settled.

    Until the day that every uterus is perfect, the day that every fertile egg implants perfectly, and the mother's mental and physical health is always perfect - there will be medical reasons to abort a fetus - and that needs to be left up to the mother and her doctors, not some random dude on the internet who will never, ever get pregnant.
     
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    ... and a zygote is not an embryo, and an embryo is not a fetus, and a fetus is not an infant, and an infant is not a toddler, and a toddler is not a child, and a child is not a young adult, and a young adult is not a middle-aged adult, and a middle-aged adult is not an elderly adult.

    Yet, every single one of those things makes reference to the exact same person (the same exact life), just referencing a different developmental stage of their life.

    No matter how you wish to justify it in your own mind, abortion is murder. Abortion is immoral. Abortion terminates innocent life.
     
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    No more so than miscarriage. Up to the 20th week, a miscarriage is exactly the same as an abortion as far as the fetus is concerned. So again, get back to me when every egg implants perfectly, every mother's health is perfect and there is never another miscarriage.
     
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    Can one be pro-choice and anti-abortion? I think abortion is immoral, callous and evil.

    But no more so than buying a luxury yacht while children starve.

    Murder is illegal because if it werent, it would destabilize society. Not because its 'wrong.'

    Abortion doesnt destabilize society. Legislating it is legislating morality. And thats how you build a theocracy.
     
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    Yes they are.

    Yes, it does. No matter what developmental phase you wish to refer to the life as, it is still a life all the same... Beginning at conception, that life strives to develop into an adult human. You are simply dehumanizing the life in an attempt to justify murdering it.

    She already HAS the right to choose. She has the right to choose to keep her legs shut...
     
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    And the unborn are not legal persons with rights.

    A fetus has hardly the same status as any born person.

    BIRTH makes a difference.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    NO, Pro-Choicers are NOT advocating "infanticide" in anyway.


    A fetus is not an infant no matter what YOU call it.



    So why don't you call it an adult or a senior or a toddler if every phase is exactly the same thing TO YOU.

    DUH, calling a HUMAN fetus human is hardly dehumanizing it.

    I do NOT need to "justify" a legal medical procedure.

    I do not need to justify women having the right to their own bodies.





    YUP and she can CHOOSE to open them without YOUR permission....and she can CHOOSE to gestate or abort without YOUR permission.

    Is that your problem ?
     
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    Once the world becomes fair and there is income equality I will advocate for making abortion illegal. Until them it is a tool for the poor and oppressed.
     
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    Not the rule I was referring to... You are losing context here.

    Making something legal or illegal does not change the definition of that something nor the morality of that something. SCOTUS is not an oligarchy.

    Correct. This world is far from perfect. There are exceptions to the general rule (that a woman becomes pregnant and goes through the pregnancy process without complications and conceives the child without complications). But again, you are appealing to abnormalities as if they are the normal.
     

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