A question to and about the evangelical rights support of trump

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Jonsa, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Deciding to defend the total piggishness of the president of the USA on the grounds of your empty claims about a private citizen is just ridiculous.

    Beyond that, you've got nothing like this on Clinton.
     
  2. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was not speaking of private citizen Hillary Clinton. I was speaking of Secretary of State Clinton. I was speaking of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    Democrats obviously couldn't have cared less about her complete and utter moral turpitude, but I guess they felt she reflected their political views. It's the same way with evangelicals and Trump. I really don't blame Democrats or evangelicals for their votes. People were given two (realistic) choices, and neither one could claim to be a shining example of moral purity. On election day, what were you going to do? Those were our choices.

    So let's not wave our dirty little fingers at the other side accusing it of having a dirty finger. That's all I'm asking.
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    She is NOT a presidential candidate, and she is NOT the Sec. State.

    She IS a private citizen.

    I'm not pointing at you.

    I'm pointing at President Trump.

    I hope that helps.
     
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    Sure except your attacks on Clinton are about 90% bullshit.
     
  5. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't wish to debate Clinton. Reread my last sentence. It's the hypocrisy that bugs me.
     
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    Seth maybe you should reread it , like i said when the right wing perception of Hillary Clinton is mostly bogus built on non stop lies from the right. , tell me where the hypocrisy is , may I quote you "Democrats obviously couldn't have cared less about her complete and utter moral turpitude"
     
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    Wait. Your code of morality is based on what OTHER people think - not you?
    You give Trump a pass because Clinton was bad?
    You lower your moral bar to meet the worst common denominator and you don't think that is hypocrisy on your part.

    Get a backbone. Take a stand - if both Trump and Clinton don't measure up - say so. Don't be wishy-washy because the mean old press hurt Donnie's feelings.
     
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  8. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    J, I could defend my opinion about Hillary, but I'm just not going to right now. It's all been covered a thousand times in other threads. There is nothing I could say about that woman that you don't already know and that you haven't heard before. What I said is my opinion of her and of those who supported her.

    I think what I'm saying is that when Hillary Clinton supporters get on a moral high horse and pontificate about someone else's morality, it rings hollow.

    Seth
     
  9. Seth Bullock

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    I don't give a pass to Trump on anything. He is an imperfect man, and a lot of his behavior bugs me.

    But if you're going to support a corrupt and morally putrid candidate, you ought not question the morality of the supporters of the opposing candidate.

    I'm definitely not an evangelical, but that's what this whole thread is about - questioning their morals for supporting Trump. Well, it all rings hollow to me under the circumstances.
     
  10. Polydectes

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    So if your choice is between someone like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton you should not vote? Or should you vote for Hillary?
     
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    I bet you can't come close to defending your hatred of Clinton , you will have no where to take it, other then your fantasy world dictated to one string puppets from the feet you grovel at. Your party is as ugly as any I've seen in my lifetime. You people and your party have to go.
     
  12. Seth Bullock

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    Well, I'm an independent, so ...
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    No, you're plenty happy with hypocrisy.
     
  14. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't know me, Will. :blankstare:
     
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    Independent, a person who hides in the corner because they can't take the heat and they want people to think they are open minded , they rarely are.
     
  16. Seth Bullock

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    I'm a radical moderate. :confuse:

    What are you?
     
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    Wouldn't you like that. Maybe those on the left could have cast their conscientious objection vote for Bernie.
     
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    It's really the Left's fault, if you go back and closely examine it. They've succeeded in making the country less christian, thinking that would make the country less Republican. Instead they got Trump.

    You don't know how Parties work. Especially in a constrained 2-party system, a party tends to represent the average conglomeration of all of its members beliefs. If the people move to the left, the parties have to move to the left too, that's how they maintain a balance. Right now the percent of Republican affiliated voters that regularly attend church has dipped below 50%. That wasn't going to happen without consequences.

    Anyway, Bill set the precedent that it was ok for a president to have an affair on the side, although Kennedy was doing it long before him.
     
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  19. JakeStarkey

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    kazenatsu's philosophy is of the Christian 1950s, which is no longer the pathway today.

    People do care about affairs if he is lying, which he is surely doing.

    His presidency's validation is falling apart every day more quickly.
     
  20. CourtJester

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    No a party pretends to represent the average conglomeration of it's members beliefs. What a party actually represents is the concensus of its big money donors opinions.
     
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    Read this fo a laugh, not any truth just nonsense.
     
  22. jbander

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    Yup but at least Democrats are willing to take care of people other then the top golden few. That being without a doubt the only reason the right exist. They have achieved that for the last 37 years , all but pennies of the massive increase of wealth in this country has gone to just a few people , this is what the right offers this country, now they have even doubled down on this with this give away to the wealthy.
     
  23. dairyair

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    The OPs point perfectly.
    What is best? A disgraceful sinner, A womanizer, a non christian? And if the best is the most immoral person ever, it's ok as long as the letter behind the name is the one that you want to see behind the name.
    You place a letter behind a name above the beliefs of the Christian faith. Meaning, the faith is weak or fake.
     
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    If tRUMP was closest to your morals, I wouldn't be touting being a christian. At least with a straight face.
     
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    No, Christians are not more ethical than, say, Modern Secular Humanists are, obviously.
     

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