A Ranger gave my mom a ticket for not having a pass even though she showed him her pass

I'm truly sorry for what you went through at the hands of the jack booted terror squads.

I've had a similar experience. I just made a simple inquiry about whether the local police had a sniper rifle and like 16 agents of terror showed up at my house-lol.

And yes I have been pulled over for no reason and have had evidence planted upon me.

When I was 16, I went to a gravel bar, river, party that got busted and the police planted a bottle of vodka in my car that did not belong to me.

I told the terror agent the vodka was not mine and he said, "if we check the bottle for finger prints our we going to find your finger prints on the bottle," and I said enthusiastically, "No, let's do that," and he dropped the subject-knowing the bottle would not have my finger prints on it because he had planted the bottle in my car himself!

 

I can't claim to have even the first clue what this is, but why would it be 'busted'? Is outdoor recreation illegal in America?

 

How so???

 

The Chief of Police is lying.

What's that aphorism???

Oh yeah.

The only people that lie more than the criminals are the cops.

There are literally dozens of videos on youtube of Cops planting evidence on poor people. (Thank goodness for body cams)

Are you incredulous????

Below is one video of a cop planting evidence on a poor woman.

There is a better video that shows how actually poor she is (Her drivers side door did not work) but alas I could not find it.

But Anyway,

 

Did she have the pass visible from the front windshield? Did the pass have her plate number?

 

Do you have a noticeable last name and live in a small town and has anyone in your family had any incidents that could have caused the local authorities to be angry?

 

Maybe he already wrote the ticket and didn't want to be bothered to have to undo it. In which case, your mom was fined for not displaying the ticket like she was supposed to, and wasting the ranger's time.

 

I was talking to a friend about what my ex was doing and she mentioned to me that she lived and worked about 5-6 miles from her childhood home and, without fail, every kid she grew up with that got in trouble for bullying went on to become police officers.

 

Why do you think the Chief of Police is lying about that?

There are evil and corrupt people in every field. All cops aren't horrible. We just hear about the bad ones more often.

 

can't say I went to parties at 16, but at 18, underage drinking parties with keggers were a crime, in most States adults are not able to drink at 18

republican used to be big on anti-drinking, until Bush jr was elected as he had a drunk driving in his history

 

This is your example:

I replied: Can you see how that contradicts your post about being targeted because you're poor?

You asked:

If you get a ticket and pay it, the court system gets that $100.

If you get a ticket and don't pay it, you might get more fines but you aren't likely to go to jail if you don't pay the original ticket and/or fines. That would depend on what the original ticket was for.

If you get a ticket and don't pay it, you might get more fines and some other inconveniences (ie. suspended license, higher insurance costs, etc.) but aren't likely to go to jail if you don't pay the original ticket and/or fines. Again, it would depend on the original offense.

However, if you get a ticket, don't pay it, get fines and inconveniences, get arrested, tried and convicted, you might get more fines and/or sentenced.

• If you get community service, you are "working" off the debt owned to society.
• If you get imprisonment, you are costing society more than the original ticket and any add-on fines or penalties.

So, there is no "value" in for the police to repeatedly ticket the same person for the same types of offenses if each encounter creates a net loss and that cost bears one everyone within that community (ie. higher crime rates, lower police assistance, higher insurance rates, lower property values, etc.).

However, your depiction does have bearing on the "imbalance" in our judicial system. This is why I don't rely on the statistics that give the impression that minorities commit more crimes. Poor people don't commit more crimes either. It's just that white people and middle-class people and upper-middle class people are given more second chances and can usually afford legal representation so they are less likely to end up in prison for the exact same offenses that a minority or less advantaged person would be imprisoned for.

There is a long, long, long list of crimes committed by former President Trump but many people think he's not a criminal because he has never been sent to prison. That's not an indictor of innocence or lack of guilt (not the same thing "legally") because it implies that ALL crimes have been solved and all perpetrators of those crimes have been imprisoned and neither of those statements is true.

 

Yes.

 

Underage drinking is illegal in Western countries but is not criminalized, except in the U.S.

They try to get you for everything they can in the U.S.

Most likely, the reason the police planted evidence on me in particular, is because I probably had the junkiest car at that party.

They try to get you in the system as early as possible if you are poor.

The condition of my vehicle indicated to them that I was poor.

 

Yes.

I am at least the sixth generation to have lived on the South Beach. My ancestors have lived here since at least 1853. The area is somewhat economically depressed.

I’ve been an outspoken critic and watch dog of the Californian developers and other Californian transplants who have moved here.

For example, one Californian developer said that building his condominiums would create hundreds of new jobs in exchange the locals passed a levy upgrading the infrastructure to support his new development. But when it was time to build the new development, he hired a construction crew from another state, creating hundreds of new jobs.

Another Californian developer tried to get the locals to pay for a new fire engine that could reach three stories when his structure would be the only three story structure in the area. Fortunately, the locals voted not to buy the new fire engine and his condominiums were never built.

Surfrider an organization that originated in California tried to prevent the Army Corps of Engineers from armoring the cove to prevent our drinking water from being contaminated by our sewer water while staging a surf contest every year here called, “The Clean Water Classic.”

The owner of one of the surf shops here, also a Californian, earned a lifetime achievement award from Surfrider for I presume his efforts at committing genocide on the locals whose ancestors have lived on this beach for generations. I went to his shop to look at wetsuits and he threatened to, “punch me in the face,” if I did not buy this wetsuit from him. I called the local police because I do believe threatening someone to buy something from them is extortion and the police took his side.

Another time, that guy yelled at me “to get a job,” when I had lost my job because I had hurt my spine on a fishing boat. But the first time I really hurt my spine I was serving my country. Meanwhile, this guy was back home playing a game while other men his age were serving their country in Vietnam.

 

Before you get too angry at Californian transplants, perhaps consider the reason WHY they have been leaving in droves.
Maybe some of the blame is on that "why", rather than the people themselves.

 

I asked you a very similar question and you replied that you were poor but didn't mention of these other reasons why the police would recognize your name.

Where do you fit in this scenario?

Were you part of the push to not get this to pass?

Again, what did you do that would make you get on the people's bad side?

This seems to be missing some details. Why would you think that was extortion and why didn't you leave his shop?

How would that guy know if you had a job or not and how would you know he was back home playing a game while other men his were serving their country in Vietnam? Both seem to imply you two knew each other better than your posts reflect.

Also, what is your age range? People fighting in Vietnam are old or gone which leads one to believe you have to be middle aged (at a minimum) and your mother is presumably at least 20-30 years older than that. She still drives?

 

I should have said, " My fingerprints are not on that bottle are your finger prints on that bottle,"-LOL

The lesson to be learned is to invoke your 4th amendment rights and never allow the police to search your car, but rather, sit in the back of their police car and make them wait for 12 hours to wake up a judge and get a warrant to search your car.

The 4th amendment is the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Not displaying the pass is a ticketable offence, in most places.

 

It appears some vital information was left out of our OP's post. What does drinking alcohol have to do with boating/fishing etc? And why would 16 year olds be boating/fishing in groups? On a river, no less (a very odd choice of locations for teenagers to hang out)? I'm not following this concept.

 

Why were you drinking at 16? Why were you hanging out with kids who drink in public places? Where were your parents?

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that some crucial detail has been left out of this story, also.

When sh!t keeps like this keeps happening .. look for the common denominator. YOU.

 

No, the lesson is not to hang out with underage drinkers in public places. Blaming others for your errors mean zero personal growth.

 

That often doesn't work. If you tell them they can't search, they'll just find or make up some pretext to search anyway, and then they'll search through all your belongings even harder and more thoroughly, thinking you likely have something illegal and that is the reason you are refusing to give them permission to search. Police can really tear stuff up and make a mess to get "revenge" for not cooperating.
It's kind of a probably "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Then in many situations, the officers can search through everyone's belongings without a reason. Ever gone through a border checkpoint. They will tell you to get out of the car, escort you out of sight from the car, and then an officer will search through your car while you can't see them searching through the car. Really easy to plant evidence in that situation.

A similar story, you might see this thread:
Mom kills home invader, now going to prison for the gun she used
A woman was criminally charged for using her husband's gun in self defense against an intruder into her home because she had a past felony conviction on her record and she was not legally allowed to have a gun. A year and half before that, the young woman had been riding in a car with several other people when police searched the car and found a large bundle of marijuana. Since none of the occupants in the vehicle admitted that the marijuana belonged to them, everyone in the car received the same charges. Krissy Noble then took a plea bargain where she did not have to serve any time in prison, but then had a felony conviction on her record.

 

Californian transplants have done nothing but come here and spit and walk all over my ancestors graves.

 

But WHY are they coming??
Could it have anything to do with millions of illegal migrants coming to where they were living before?

Are you familiar with the concept of "chain migration"? That's where one group of people moves from place A to place B, and then that in turn pushes people out of place B and causes them to go to place C. Sometimes it even drives the people in place C (that would be you) to have to move to some other place D.
(One historical example of this was the Huns attacking and displacing other barbarian tribes, who then began heading into the Roman Empire and contributing to its collapse)

This precise topic has been brought up several times in the Immigration section of this forum.

I was trying to tell people that illegal immigration would have all sorts of secondary indirect effects, but most of those on the Left ignored me or didn't believe this for years. Now you suffer ryobi, now you suffer.