A Reality Check on Race and IQ

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  1. Taxonomy26

    Taxonomy26 Banned

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    Why does the country and world look the way it does? "Racism"?
    I don't think so.
    People accuse anyone who acknowledges the obvious as Racist, White Supremacist, etc, but 'Whites' are NOT at the top of the IQ pyramid.
    We see alot of Political opinion/PC in this respect, but the country/world only makes sense in light of IQ differences between the races.

    This is also an excellent Primer on how IQ tests [do] work and what they measure.
    IQ expert Linda Gottfredson (professor emeritus of educational psychology, University of Delaware and co-director of the Delaware-Johns Hopkins Project for the Study of Intelligence and Society) is interviewed/converses with up-tempo Stefan Molyneux.


    [video=youtube;CZPsXYo7gpc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPsXYo7gpc[/video]

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    What I find amusing about this whole race / IQ things is this:

    1) When whites are alleged to have the highest IQ,the tests are biased in favor of them - so says the MSM

    2) Liberals deny the concept of race provided the stats aren't looking favorable to the issue being judged

    3) When the non-whites feel they are due something, the concept of race reappears (Black Lives Matter)

    4) When some race pimp quack says whites have low IQs, suddenly race is a topic once again.

    I find myself at odds with those who self identify as "white supremacists;" however, when they ask why they cannot have their own communities and the left resists allowing them to separate, it makes me wonder how much faith the liberals that spew crap like above are convinced of it. I mean, who are they really trying to convince? Others or themselves?
     
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    Frankly, IQ is an overrated factor as an explanation for why we see things the way we do. The best explanation goes to which group exercises the most violence and cunning effectively to build their empire. Looking at violence/war would also explain why peoples with the highest IQ averages still clamor to get into countries with lower IQ averages (e.g. very high IQ Asians flocking to America vs the other way around).

    Violence and cunning means an empire can take resources and build with it. IQ might help, but its factor is easily trumped by the sheer exercise of force.
     
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    Nice to have your Unbacked opinion.
    Of course, "cunning" is very related to/if not synonymous with IQ.
    We see the same witting or unwitting duplicity/substitution in people who seek to avoid the word 'race.'
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    Anyone can be cunning. Animals can be cunning. You're not saying much.

    Anyway, look at all the empires and see what they had in common. Extreme brutality, theft of resources, deceiving of subjects laid the foundation to many empires including America. Moreover, empires require an enforcement of norms and enforcement entails violence.
     
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    "Empires" is a politization of the topic.. but OK.
    One only gets to be an 'Empire' because of Advanced Societal and/or Technical/Intellectual superiority.
    Navies and superior weapons don't come from cavemen or peoples/races who are still hunter gatherers.
    Again, tiresome and unwitting proxy word admission.
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    Advanced weaponry comes from warring factions with long histories of violence. Think of the races of people who developed advanced weaponry. The ones who did never known peace and are always at war with somebody.

    Edit: The one who did...
     
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    The highest IQ scores recorded in the U.S.A come also from groups who've suffered discrimination, like Jewish Americans, Asian Indian Americans, Polish Americans, and Chinese Americans etc.
     
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    I'm not sure I buy your example. Both high IQ and low IQ people want into the US; just for different reasons. High IQ people, like the Asians you've mentioned, see numerous opportunities to succeed. Low IQ people see a much higher life style and living conditions for their skills (such as they are) then they would have back home.
     
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    And none of these are accidents of birth. These are simply cultural groups which value education, and act accordingly.
     
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    What a funny False dichotomy!
    True, they are Not accidents of Birth, but they are Not "cultural" either, they are genetic.
    So that even Asian children brought up in ['white'] American or European Countries/Families have higher IQs than their adoptive parents.
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    Racialists neglect the fact that we are all HOMO SAPIENS. ONE SPECIES - ONE RACE.
     
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    Brilliant/Doh!
    We ARE, by definition, classified that way now.
    The question is whether that is justified or not. Political or not.
    The answer is, using the same [taxonomic] standard as other living things, we are MORE than one race/subspecies.
    Your post is so Vacuous, it's hard to believe.
    You missed the whole debate here, and on hundreds of strings, on as many boards.
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    White supremacists suck.

    Evidence?
     
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    I'm not sure about "discrimination", but Asians in general have higher IQ's, as currently tested. Possibly because of other things, like nurturing, but not social acceptance. Another thing of interest is American Asian women, average life span is 88, highest of any other group.
     
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    Not sure we're saying different things. I've could have stated my point better though, which was from my pov the societies containing higher IQ peoples don't seem as attractive as some of those with supposed lower IQs. IOW, for example, Asians come here for the better life, not Americans go there for a better one.

    The reason why life styles and living conditions are more attractive here is because a lot of the systems and ideas was forged and manifested through violence. Without exercising force across the globe and engaging in violent actions and undermining tactics against its own citizens, America wouldn't be as strong and wouldn't be as attractive.
     
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    It's 100% cultural (nurture). Asian kids adopted by white people are no different. I submit that the types of white people who adopt Asian kids, will almost certainly fit the criteria for intellect nurturers. They are not going to be apathetic rednecks who leave it all to the schools while they eat cheeseburgers. Obviously.

    The very fact that such different racial/ethnic profiles (Chinese, Indian, Jewish, Polish) all manage to do well should easily demonstrate this to you. It has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with cultures which value education.
     
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    Well the interesting thing about China is that it's been sending people out to form communities for centuries. Particularly in South Asia, there are Chinese communities in almost every country. And these communities are almost always more successful economically than the locals, and more successful than the lives of Chinese in China. For most of it's history, China has had economic and political systems that were static and didn't allow the kind of dynamism that high growth economies require.

    A century from now, who knows? Maybe Americans will be seeking their fortune there.

    I'm not sure I get your point. I don't get how you correlate good living conditions with violence. That seems counter intuitive and I don't see how it has anything to do with the relative economic prosperity of the US.
     
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    1) BINGO! nurturing is everything.

    2) Asian women live longer because they're generally not overweight, and they rarely often drink alcohol. They're also less like to smoke and do drugs etc.
     
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    All dogs are one species.

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    Bullchit. Adoptees have I.Q. more similar to their biological parents than to their adoptive parents.

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    No its not. Long life is clearly genetic.
     
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    The Chinese are industrious, hard working, and like money. They're also good at spotting opportunity and exploiting it. They got this way due to famine, essentially. Go hungry for long enough, and you'll start to find less obvious ways to feed yourself. They got very good at it.
     
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    a) because their adoptive parents are invested in them. intellect is entirely dependent upon parental investment. read up on early development of synaptic pathways etc.

    b) long life is NOT genetic, other than in cases where inherited disease states cause early death. like intellect, long life is a result of nurture.
     
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    "What’s the secret to living longer? Scientists have been pondering this for some time now and while we understand that various lifestyle and environmental factors contribute to our longevity, it is also evident that genetics plays a role. In fact, family studies have indicated that genetic factors account for around 20-30% of the variation in adult lifespan. So what are these genetic secrets to longevity? A new study, published in Aging Cell, may have some answers."

    Link: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/genetic-secrets-longevity-discovered/
     
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    The 1st half of your response is partly why I don't see IQ as this major factor that many seem to think it is. So as I read the first part, I thought, well why couldn't the Asians beat the Europeans to the punch with allowing dynamic systems? Why are they emulating more of the Europeans than vice versa if they are a higher IQ people? The Chinese may do better than many natives in various countries, but that's usually a given with many 1st fen immigrants. Everyone should have been clamoring to get into Asia because they should have better societies, but that's not what's happening.

    To your 2nd half, violence is a strong part of American economic policy. The oil, drugs, other resources, and favorable economic arrangements all have to be secured one way or the other. America is always at war with its own citizens and abroad ever trying to secure these things or trying to establish some streamline somewhere. And because it is able to exercise force, it can acquire the resources necessary and secure the connections needed to feed its economy.
     
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    Expectations were low.
    The phenomenon was first noted when Americans (and Belgians) adopted MALNOURISHED Korean and Vietnamese War babies.
    If the children's IQs had come out lower than the white 100, there would have been a good excuse (like the usual Black one). But Genes win.
    Expectations were not high, they were merely escape/alive
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