A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

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  1. Ndividual

    Ndividual Well-Known Member

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    As I said previously, I only find the discordant bastardization of the words disturbing, as they diminish clarity in our ability to communicate.
    I have no problem with recognition of familial relationship between persons as a result of birth or contract.
     
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    Words change all the time and they should. The English language made everything “he” unless otherwise stated. One who acts is an actor..why is a female an actress? At one of my speeches I was introduced as an authoress. I modified my speech to let teachers know, that language should be inclusive.
    A funny story… I was told by my publisher that my book was final and there could be no more changes. They said the only changes were minor. They sent me the finals and I couldn’t believe it. The editor change my language and even implied that I was sexist. What I did was interchange pronouns. He went and changed them all to being male. He missed the intro where I said I did that on purpose and teachers should do that as well. He made other changes that upset me. I was so upset because it was too late to make changes, I called the publisher and I was near tears. She said, “we bought your book for your voice and we will change it back” it cost them a little t to do that, but she pointed out that the contract says we both have to be ok with the final draft .
     
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    If the definition changes result in greater clarity, then I might agree with you.
     
  4. rahl

    rahl Banned

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    what is unclear about marriage?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Marriage literally means union, what isn’t clear about that?
     
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    Okay, union is an acceptable term.
     
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    Nope, unacceptable, unless all Marriage is now called "Unions" in the legal sense.

    Calling Same Sex Marriage a Civil Union often involves denying usual benefits to those couples.
     
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    No problem with that, in either case it's simply a contractual agreement.


    Then change the law not the language.
     
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    Nobody is changing anything.
    Marriage is Marriage.

    Just a bunch O' Yokums that do not want "Dem Gays to have the same as what We'ums have."

    Ie, classic Second Class Citizens, as when Interracial Marriages were categorized in like manner.

    Then, deny Civil Union partners Medical coverage, Pension benefits, inheritance, all regular Marriage benefits.

    Very cute.
     
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    Baseless assertions are unnecessary.
     
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    So union is acceptable, except when same sex couples were actually fighting for civil unions but the religious right also fought that one. The vast majority of people against same sex marriage do not want any same sex union to be legal.

    We are fine calling it marriage, no some second class term to appease people that already believe we are second class citizens.
     
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    The law did change, language followed suit
     
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    So is marriage
     
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    It does not bother me as it has no effect on me...but just too give you a little history lesson. Marriage is actually an institution of the church. So much for separation of church and state.

    The government got involved through anti-miscegenation laws forbidding interracial marriages and sex. In many states it was a felony. So government involved in marriage started out extremely racist, and violated separation of church and state.
     
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    Marriage in the church is optional and not an institution of the Church
     
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    I'm talking historically, yes it was an institution of the Judeo-Christian church. They also wrote laws forbidding incest, many royals were prone to marrying close relatives such as a sister. Had to keep those royal blood lines pure. This was a practice as far back as the pharoahs of Egypt up to England's Henry the 8th. It's called the consanguinity laws.
     
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    Marriage and unions existed before modern religion was even invented, just because the church stole the principal of marriage does not make it a religious institution.
     
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    Baseless assertions ?

    The LG community has fought long difficult battles against the odds of success, only those comfortable with entrenched Bigotry make such baseless statements.
     
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    While it cannot be denied that marriage is a church institution, it is not, nor ever was, solely a church institution. Marriage has existed in multiple societies throughout history that had not yet encountered the Judeo-Christian religion line.
     
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    At one time Public Rape was an institution, and if Political power was at issue, this institution made that Person so ostracized as to preclude any further future Political endeavor or enterprise.
     
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    I mean, really... Is there still opposition to same sex marriage even though it has been made legal? What kind of opposition could be made to something that is legal?


    Could opposition be made to driving after getting a driver's license? Can opposition be made after getting a 'medical marijuana card'? Can opposition be made if a person is sentenced for doing a crime?

    Or is this 'opposition' a personal feeling of 'discrimination'? Many 'minorities' feel discriminated against.. A white person living in China town and being white could feel discriminated against by the local Chinese English speaking persons.. And often times, these oppositions and/or discriminations come from youths more so than adults.

    What kind of opposition is this? Opposing that which is legal?? If anything, there is not enough opposition towards wrongful things, such as hate crimes and rape and neglect... these 'opposition' persons have nothing more to do than sit and oppose... If they were doing and living, they wouldn't care about what is being opposed against or not since they are living comfortably and fine with themselves.
     
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    Jim Crow was legal.
     
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