A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

Disagree. The legal standing of being related, whether that standing was created by biological or legal means, has always been a major factor in such cases. Even if we assume the bio father was dead as well, the legal system would give more weight to either the bio mother's or the bio father's families over Angela if there were no legal marriage. Only by all of both families showing they were unfit and/or unwilling to take the children would Angela stand a chance of legally keeping the kids.

 

That didn't address that there was a time that people objected to those of different religions getting married. That too was/is a choice.

 

It has also yet to be proven as not a choice. While I do tend towards this idea, I still recognize it as not proven. Heavily evidenced, yes, but not yet proven.

 

Like the anti-gun mob, anyone who uses "for the children" as a reason to deny natural, enumerated or unenumerated rights to others is flat-out wrong

 

The original example posited an attachment between Angela and the kids as a factor in custody. I was just pointing out that would likely be the same regardless of the marital status of Kathy and Angela.

 

It isn't really 'heavily evidenced'. Removing all political impetus to that conclusion, and any confirmation bias in lines of research - just going with cold, hard, hard, triple blind studies ... there is no more evidence for, than there is against, the genetics theory.

Which leaves us free to conclude what we will, until further notice.

 

There is a difference between the idea of it being genetics as opposed to simply not a choice. While there is no evidence yet as to what is the cause, the evidence still weighs heavily as one's sexuality or gender identity is not something they choose. It is something that develops, whether in the womb, after birth or some combination thereof.

 

Yes you can. All people who ever lived adopted or not have a mother and a father.

They aren't plucked from a tree.

 

Sorry, when I say 'choice', I don't mean it's conscious. I believe these things have their genesis in childhood, and so are entirely unconscious. The point is, I don't buy the genetics argument. Not a bit.

 

Seriously? You think you chose your orientation? Did you try both or all ways first or just do a lot of reading before deciding?

For me, I was wired to like girls. Just something about them. I don't know why.

 

Disagreed. Obviously there's no "straight" or "gay" gene. It's something deeply wired into and through our brains. We have genes that turn off and on under various circumstances. Any "straight" male who claims sexual preference is a choice should be able to explain why they prefer women over men....as a choice. IMO, show me a "straight" male who thinks sexual preference is a choice and I'll show you a latent homosexual passing as straight.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...l-evidence-for-the-genetics-of-homosexuality/

 

You make no sense. First you say it's not genetic, then you say genes are turned on and off. Further, you acknowledge that it's 'wired into the brain', which is exactly what happens in environmental shaping.

CHOICE is simply the dumbed down way of saying 'nurture as opposed to nature'. IOW, I believe that variations to sexual expression are formed in early childhood, and are not a result of conscious choice.

 

First; genes turning off and on are genetic.

Second, "wired into the brain" means genetic. Environmental shaping is "programming the brain".

So, please tell me when you decided which sex you preferred and how you came to that decision. Did you experiment first? Masturbate to pictures of both sexes? What? I'm curious how people choose their sexual preference.

 

I Wonder if the responses would be the same if it were 2 men

 

Why ?
What difference would that make ?

 

Because men have a much different reaction to two women than they do to two men.

 

Why ?
Both are equally valid.

 

did you even read my post?

 

Of course they are both valid...but the reactions are different, I’ll give you an example. Men get totally repulsed by gay men having sex, yet they get turned on by gay women having sex.
I’m cases of children two women as parents are seen differently by some as two men.
Do you think people react the same toward gay women as they do to gay men? Why do parents take away baby dolls from little,boys? But it’s ok if their little girls play with trucks . Homophobia is usually directed toward males,

 

Yes. You seem either confused or disagree with the genetic aspect of sexual preference. While you admit it's not "conscious choice", your comments imply it's purely psychological formed in childhood and is a subconscious choice. It's not a choice. Period. Acts are choice, innate preferences are not.

 

Actually most of those adopted had neither. Either they were dead or their parental rights had been legally terminated.

 

Marrying someone with kids doesn't create any legal relationship between the step parent and child.

 

they didn't congeal, they had to have been born

 

You support homosexuality. I get it. So what other living arrangements would you tolerate the child in your OP to live in:

A child to be adopted into a community of 3+ couples that are not married and have sex with each other?

A child to be adopted by an Islamic or Morman family of one husband and 3+ wives?

A child to be adopted by a single parent that has sex with a new person each week?

A child to be adopted by a loving gay married couple that enjoys beastiality?

 

This is a strawman argument.