A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

Was there an active role by the Feds to deny rights to women? What right was denied? Funny that as long as mom lived, she never claimed she had no rights as you speak of. Both of my wives never once told me that they lacked rights. Funny isn't it that they had no clue they had some rights lost that supposedly only men had.
Affirmative action worked fine for an intelligent man like Powell or Thomas but I doubt Thomas says but for them, he would have been an intellectual cripple. Do you honestly think Polwell would have been an intellectual cripple but for affirmative action? Isn't' that a slap in their faces?

 

I read claims that homosexuals have no impact on me nor my marriage. I say the men beating their wives have never impacted on me nor my marriages. When they beat their wives, I never had to lift a finger. And that is the flawed argument you present to excuse a vast change in marriage merely due to homosexuals having some desire. A lot of them do not want marriage.

 

When I entered the business of Real Estate agency

You know, when they were in the closet, unless they flamed you, you had little evidence they enjoy same on same sexual acts.

Mom and Dad moved us to Hayward, CA in the late 40s and the community had under 10,000 residents. Neighbors varied. Two old women lived in the same home just across a street from my parents and mom said they were homosexuals. Well, nobody in the entire neighborhood cared. We did not prank their house. We paid them no attention. They probably did all kinds of perverted things but they did not rush outside to scream at us, hey people, we are two homosexuals.

Marriage was invented by men. You even admit that. Men did not invent marriage to create a covenant for homosexuals. Homosexual marriage was invented by the Dutch first and much later also invented in the USA by Democrats. I believe Democrats take the credit for there being homosexual marriage.

Oh by the way, I have been to Amsterdam and they openly have brothels all over. Should all American cities also have open brothels on main roads?

Yes, both my wives had a daughter by me. I wanted a son. Got two wonderful daughters. Both have sons.

Democrats work hard to demolish all traditions of this country. And they are proud they do it.

 

When I get called a right winger, I go huh? Is that an insult? A taunt?

I am primarily interested in this nations human freedoms. If I confront a poster that is against our rights, I spin like a top and go after them. I mean the piss me off. Why do they want to remove my right? And worse, they want to remove the right of others. How dare they call themselves liberals. So when they fight for human rights, they then can claim to be liberal.

So what is different for homosexuals they will then say?

Nothing I retort,.

What have I done for homosexuals they inquire?

We in CA conceived a solution to them wanting marriage and I voted for the homosexual with all my heart.

Our CA supreme court ruled we did it lawfully when we put it into the state constitution. It said marriage is a man to a woman. Homosexuals were crazy and went to court. Notice it was not CA law that suits were won at the Supreme court, but other states laws. But we got swept under the same rug.
For homosexuals who see themselves as a separate class of human, we had the just for them contract that did for them what marriage does for the male to the female form of bonding. It put them in charge of hospital edicts and things alleged to be enjoyed by the married. We did help them. Many used the new form and appeared very happy.

They alleged it was like a right to get married. I saw it more as a way for the male and the female to get official recognizing and for the protection of our children.

My desire to marry mostly had to do with children. Women available for sex are all over the place. If you want sex, no need to get married. But a man reaches a point of his life where he thinks it is important to pay forward the family name. Women adopt the man's last name. There would not be the paying forward the family name but for her changing her last name. This passes down to their children. In a way, the wife gets short changed if she wants her name paid forward. The man somehow ends up on top, so to speak. I have yet to date or marry a woman who said she wanted her name to be the last name of the children,. She seems content with how it works, keeping the last name of the husband. Exceptions to this can be found and I don't doubt there are exceptions.

 

Thanks for making your homophobia clear....you reduce them to sexual acts, unable to see them as people. ..like your neighbors who you assume did “perverted things”. I can assume you have a boring sex life because many straight people do the same acts you find perverted
Marriage was invented by men..and you are right it didn’t create a covenant for homosexuals...nor did it it create wives as equals.they were chattel. You may want to go back to those days, I’m a PROGRESSive and you want to regress
An aside ...Interesing how so many of the fami,y values guys here talk about all their wives....how perverted (sarcasm alert)

 

The majority of people today have become tolerant of many forms of aberrant behavior by consenting adults. The issue would be more simply put to rest were it not for the demand to have it affect our language.
If, as some claim, they are born predisposed to be attracted to another of the same sex, perhaps we should try to find how that can be identified at birth. Currently we are assigned a gender, male or female, at birth. Perhaps a DNA test could be done and the birth record note that gender cannot be determined at birth.
Anyway, the purpose of words is to communicate clearly and expanding the definitions of words in ways which make them less meaningful does not help.
Same sex relationships by consenting adults, permanent or temporary, has no affect on others. Changing the words which define a marriage would have an affect on everyone who communicates using those words.
The biggest problem I have with the LGBTQ movement is that while some may truly be predisposed to be attracted to the same sex, it is used to tempt our young to try it, you may like it, similar to how many young become addicted to drugs and alcohol.
Is aberrance to become the new norm?

 

How do you g people get tempted to be attracted to the same sex? How would we tempt you?

 

Perhaps you would define what 'g people' are?
I have been proposition by gay men more than once. The first time when about 11 years old by a middle aged man who the police told my parents was otherwise harmless and for me to just avoid him, and the second time as a teenager I was walking home after my car broke down late one night and given a lift by a stranger in his twenties who tried to convince me he was born with sex organs in his throat. Both instances I quickly escaped from. And I have on several other occasions been asked by gay people to allow them to perform sex with me, in one instance being told I would enjoy it much more than having sex with a woman. I passed, but perhaps they found another or others who were not homosexual who accepted their offers? I also once had a friend who used heroin but refused his offer to give it a try.
I love my father, my brothers, and my son, but I am not a homosexual NOR am I or most others homophobic simply because we are not supportive of equating a same sex couple by use of words descriptive of a heterosexual couple ignoring their basis of gender.
Who's the real intolerant ones here?

 

Ever notice there are some people that have been through all kinds of adversity but you'd never know it? People that accomplish a lot of things, encourage others in spite of the trials they have been through? Usually those people don't talk much about their trials unless it is to help others overcome their own trials.
Then there are those you meet and they are the 1st ones to bring up the adversity they've been through and the unfairness of life. For them it is an excuse as to where they are. They feel they are owed something by others that have a different outlook. This person would be right home in the Democrat Party. it is their base. It is what they count on!

 

Why are you making it sound like this is unique to a certain group?
I know you would prefer that people should not bring up discrimination and adversity and should just be happy with the status quo. That is why you are a Republican you want to regress to the good old days when blacks and women knew their place

 

G you’re lucky that you had so few experiences with unwanted sexual advances. I had men proposition me and be inappropriate with me probably 100 times but I guess it’s different because I’m a woman. Let me tell you it’s just as inappropriate. I also find it very interesting that you had so many men proposition you. I remember a gay male friend of mine saying that very often men give unconscious signals. I guess you were giving a signal that was misread.
You ask her the intolerant one is? I am not the one that is getting upset over the word marriage. I support gay marriage and to me it is a marriage just like my own

 

I have come to a partial conclusion that the reason why so many women like the homosexuals is they get propositioned a lot themselves and know a homosexual man will not bother them.

 

Boy that too some imagination.I guess you would like to regress to the days where the Democrat KKK was burning crosses and women could not vote so you could really play the victim. You do not overcome adversity by wallowing in it.

 

This so called gay marriage is a very recent construct done to the world primarily by those who favor socialist teaching along with a more and more restrictive government.

I was aghast when i realized that here in America, far more rights are lost to Democrats laws than in other nations.

If we all will just give up and accept a lot more powerful government even then I worry if that will please Democrats. They come up with more and more laws and have since the time of Franklin Roosevelt, only now it is getting worse and not better. witness them trying to get rid of the second amendment. Watch them approve trashing the national anthem. Watch them demanding students quit praying ahead of sports events. Where you turn, they are removing rights.

 

Notice how it is the victims fault if he gets propositioned by homosexuals. How is it the teens fault when an older high school age male in the boy scouts want to have sex with a completely non homosexual teen? How is it the young adults fault when followed in a car to a residence and the homosexual following says he wants you to have homosexual sex with him? Why are homosexual males always considered completely innocent by Democrats?

 

You left hanging what you meant by "you G people".
Few experiences? I doubt seriously I have ever given anything that could be construed as a signal that I might be receptive to having sex with another man. And a number of incidents occurred while on a date with a woman before I married or at a party with my wife later in life.
I'm still asking who is/are the intolerant one(s). As I said, I can care less if same sex couples wish to form a contractual agreement similar to a marriage, but the fact is that it is NOT the same thing and my ONLY complaint is that it has affect on my and everyone else's ability to communicate clearly. If a man decides he wants to become known as a woman, but still is attracted to women does he become a lesbian?
Why are the words used to define a marriage between a man and a woman so important to this issue?
You asked "How would we tempt you?"; are you stating that you are in a same sex relationship? In an earlier post you said “I got a man to marry me”. This is a prime example of what I've been talking about affecting our ability to communicate clearly. I'm left wondering if the person you are calling a man is actually genetically a woman claiming to be the equivalent of a man in the relationship.
You also mentioned being a progressive. Much of the progress that occurred over the last century has resulted in a great many new words being created. Why so intent on being regressive in using old words to define something new which society in general has become tolerant of? Is there a desire to remain closeted? If gay 'pride' truly exists then why NOT create new words to show clearly that you are engaged in a commitment with someone of the same sex, and recognized by law the same as a marriage of a heterosexual couple?

 

How is your marriage different from a marriage of two women? Why is it so Important for you to change the word. Very often you hear gay marriage which is a change by adding the adjective. If the people want to be referred to in a different way then let them make that decision.
Kind of like black people didn’t want to be called negroes or coloreds..but that was their choice. And if gay people want their marriage refer to in a different way, let them do that...it’s not up to you. ....Maybe we should call interracial marriages by another name because most marriages are between people of the same race. Maybe we should have a term for old me marrying young women because most marriages are within a few years. I do have to smile when you say I am being regressive. No I am not being regressive, regressive would be not wanting to see their. Marriages as the same as mine.
As I said if gay people want their marriages described another way, I will gladly support it.

 

No one is saying homosexual males are completely innocent. All I am saying is they are just like straight males. It looks like it’s a male issue.
You seem to be acting as though it is worse for a homosexual man hitting on a straight man than a Straight man hitting on a woman who doesn’t want his attention. Why is one worse than the other?

 

Yep, all those neo nazis and white supremaciats of today are democrats..lol
Little history.… When the Republican Lincoln freed the slaves , the south became Democrats. When the civil rights acts came about, they became republicans ..see a pattern?
I agree with you , you do not overcome adversity by wallowing in it, you do overcome adversity by starting a movement ...You fight the victimizers. Like the women’s movement and the civil rights women We now have a new movement starting with millions of young people demanding gun control. They don’t want to be “victims”. I am sure you don’t see those 17 dead people in Florida as victims but I do because I don’t see that as a dirty word.

 

Maybe that’s why straight men prefer straight men because they know they will not get propositioned by them. I didn’t realize that women like homosexuals more than heterosexuals. I think it’s just we are more tolerant of human beings. Maybe that’s why we enjoy the company of women friends, no propositioning

 

Young people that are told what to say byleft wing media a.k.a. CNN. We don't need gun control. We need people control. The dead people are victims because they can no longer do anything about their circumstance to better themselves. Guess you're in the same boat.
The Womens movement, and the civil rights movemnet all had their place. Now they are permanent fixtures to build a base for socialist progressives who favor eventually disarming American citizens....and history knows why.

You are WAY off on your history Renee. The South was Democrat long before the Civil War and they were galvanized by trying to expand slavery to western expansion territories. Many blacks moved North after Reconstruction and became Democrats after LBJ declared his failure "War on Poverty". He set up government plantations in Detroit, Chicago, and Philadelphia. He paid black women to have children out of wedlock thus destroying the relatively strengthened black family. LBJ even bragged they'd never vote Republican again. I think you're proof he was right to some degree.
nationalcenter.org/2014/01/08/lbjs-war-on-poverty-hurt-black-americans/

 

Straight women like homo's different than heterosexuals. They make great shopping buddies and decorating advisors.. It's not tolerant...it's just different

 

Isn't the answer to that obvious? And I'm not the one wanting to change the meaning of the word. The word 'gay' is another example of a word in which its meaning has been diminished. The union of male and female is the natural order of proliferation of life. So the difference is that the group of words marry, marriage, husband, wife, etc. were created to allow clear and concise communication relative to a natural human relationship. The words naturally imply a gender.

I'm still asking who is/are the intolerant one(s). As I said, I can care less if same sex couples wish to form a contractual agreement similar to a marriage, but the fact is that it is NOT the same thing and my ONLY complaint is that it has affect on my and everyone else's ability to communicate clearly. If a man decides he wants to become known as a woman, but still is attracted to women does he become a lesbian?
Why are the words used to define a marriage between a man and a woman so important to this issue?
You asked "How would we tempt you?"; are you stating that you are in a same sex relationship? In an earlier post you said “I got a man to marry me”. This is a prime example of what I've been talking about affecting our ability to communicate clearly. I'm left wondering if the person you are calling a man is actually genetically a woman claiming to be the equivalent of a man in the relationship.

 

But because you won’t accept a gay marriage as the same thing as a straight marriage , doesn’t make it so. There was a time when people said a marriage is between two people of the same race and banned interracial marriages
A gay marriage does not mean that a man wants to become known as a woman..or a gay woman wants to be a man.
Using my quote out of context is disingenuous by the way.

 

Shows you have no idea about gay men. You like straight men because they grab theit balls and spit....just as stupid of a stereotype