A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

Again, it is not the same thing. People can love one another without being married so that argument serves no purpose. Three couples, one of two men, another of two women, and still another of a man and a woman are quite different in many ways. Race and gender are not synonymous. The words we are talking about carry no racial implication, simply gender implications.
I've yet to see a rational explanation of what it is that same sex couples really want, and you appear intent on dwelling solely on the words which define a marriage, which in reality is simply a contractual agreement between a man and a woman which results in some legal obligations/responsibilities/entitlements between each other as well as by and to government under our laws.

Please show where you feel I used your quote out of context. Such may happen unintentionally when words have multiple meanings resulting in various possible interpretations.

 

No race and and gender are not the synonymous...but you want to change one the name of one marriage that was also illegal at one time.and not thought of as legitimate
Same sex couples want exactly what same sex couples want, what do you want that makes your marriage any different from theirs? Please don’t say children, because many couples opt out of having children
People marry because they live a person and want to do. It to them
The quote out of context was “I got a man to marry me”. I used it sarcastically when a man believed I was single because I used Ms.

 

Thankfully we agree that race and gender are not synonymous, but rescinding laws making interracial marriage illegal had no effect at all on the vernacular relating to marriage.
What 'exactly' is it that same sex couples want? The difference, I have related to you time and time again is the gender basis of the words we use to communicate with one another effectively, efficiently, rationally, clearly, and concisely. It has nothing to do with having or not having children. Being a married man, indicates one to be a husband which clearly implies a relationship with a spouse, who would be identified as the wife which would thereby be a woman. And no additional questions need be asked to clarify that.
I presume you meant "People marry because they love a person", but I'm uncertain of what you meant to imply with "and want to do. It to them" Perhaps a result of haste?
Sarcastic or not, I'm left uncertain of your status which is all I was saying to begin with, resulting from your "How would we tempt you?", which would appear to imply as you did also claim to be a woman that you are in a same sex relationship.
I would suggest using caution tempting me, and use extreme caution should you try and tempt my children. Unaware if you have children or not, if you do would you suggest they try a same sex relationship as the means by which they determine how they would want to live their life as an adult? I have always tried to teach my children to tolerate others differences without need to imitate them.

 

Show you have no idea about men and their nature. Your husband must be gay or he would grab his balls and spit.....you don't like that.

 

You seem so afraid of gay men....it seems like thou protests too much.
Thank God my husband doesn’t stereotype gay men like you do. He is intelligent .

 

I think you stereotype your husband. I am glad though you see to thank God with a capital "G'.

 

When I use the word “ we”I was quoting ..but no I am not gay.I have probably been married to my husband longer than you have been on earth. He is an amazing man.
I think from everything I am reading, it sounds like you are just playing semantics with the term marriage. Interracial marriage was illegal just the way gay marriage was illegal and now they are both legal. Neither is the norm but yet you want the vernacular changed for gay marriage but not for interracial marriage.
Being a white married man implies a relationship with a spouse and would usually assume it to be a white woman . If I am gay and say I am married, the second I would say “my wife” you would know I am in a gay marriage, not a traditional one
I don’t know why you think people try and tempt your children. I thought sex education for years and I never taught them to try being gay. All I thought was “being gay is not good, being gay is not bad… It just is !”
Again you act as though it is a choice. Can you choose to be attracted sexually to a man? Can you choose to be attracted to a morbidly obese woman without me? Sometimes it is hard to define what attracts us to someone
What would you do if your children told you they were gay? And why did you marry?

 

I don’t think my husband would mind being stereotyped as intelligent. I’m sorry that this sarcasm about stereotyping man the way you stereotype gay people went over your head. By the way I dictate here most of the time and spellcheck makes God with the capital. It shouldn’t

 

I wouldn't mind being steotyepded

 

Good, you are...and not in a way I would want to be

 

Good, I wouldn't want to be anything like you.

 

Quoting who? And i doubt seriously you have been married for more than 83 years, but even if true how would it be relevant to the conversation?
Yes, my posts have been based on a semantical interpretation comparing the differences between a heterosexual and a homosexual civil union. It is 'playing' with semantics to try and compare race with gender as a means of supporting your (LGBTQ) views demanding inclusivity of the words defining a civil union between two persons of opposite gender. While interracial marriage was once illegal it still was in reference to a man and a woman who were of a different race. And in some countries it has been looked down on if not been illegal to marry another of a different religion, again applied to the religion of the man and the woman..
You continue to try and imply that I have something against homosexuality, when ALL I have said is we should accept it and accommodate it within our vernacular with appropriate and clearly descriptive words.

Marriage
MAR'RIAGE, noun [Latin mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity, and for securing the maintenance and education of children.

The above definition, taken from Webster's 1828 dictionary, was, is, and should remain the definition of the word marriage, As we are governed by civil, NOT religious laws, both different sex and same sex couples should be allowed enjoin in and recognized as a civil union commitment and thereby receive the same recognition and responsibilities.

 

Again, why should you care what Gay people do ?
Nobody is asking you to change your definitions of any archaic outdated notions,
Note: "Webster's 1828 dictionary," in that era, Slavery was a legal institution and Women had no Civil Rights and were property.

Gay Marriage changes nothing for you in any way, why dither over it ?

 

1. I don't care what gay people do.
2. I have no complaint about changing the laws, only words which imply a gender.
3. I'm in no way dithering over anything, simply stating the obvious that MY and others ability to communicate clearly and concisely WOULD be changed for no given rational or reasonable reason.

 

How ? How ? How ?
Nothing would change for you.
Your life would be as dull as usual, your cat would still need to be fed etc...

I do not get why something that has zero impact on you and in no way modifies or changes how you live, makes you dither so.
Nothing changes for you.

And why come to a Gay forum ????
It is rather odd

 

Like many words , they evolve...the definition you provided is archaic..especially with the nonsense about preventing promiscuous intercourse.and you think it should be the same? Wow...


Here is the Webster definition

• see usage paragraph below : the state of being united as spouses in a consensual and contractual relationshiprecognized by law
  b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
  c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
• 2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendantfestivities or formalities
  
  Why don’t you focus more on generic language? Most things use he unless otherwise stated. And then the message gets internalized. But for the life of me I do not understand why it makes a difference. If they people feel that way then they should try and have a word for their marriage. We have interracial marriage and we have gay marriage. If you want you can call it a gay marriage if it makes you happy. I think you have to examine why it bothers you so much

 

If you have nothing intelligent to state, why bother wasting my time?
Read my last post over until you understand it.

 

United contractually I find acceptable and meaningful. Married would require eliminating the useful meaning of gender from our ability to communicate effectively. As I've said again and again, I'm not bothered at all by the action, simply the affect it would have on our ability to communicate clearly. The commitment between a man and a woman should be recognized as a marriage form of a partnership, while the commitment between two persons of the same sex is a partnership. In both cases a commitment exists between two persons with a similarity, although notably different in the composition of the partners.
Why does it bother you so much that others do not wish to change our language but are willing to accept the commitment between persons of the same sex as being equal in application by our laws?
The question "are you married?" does not imply or require any elaboration as to the race of ones spouse. It has never implied anything more than a union between a man and a woman, and while in the past it may have been frowned on for a Catholic to marry a non-Catholic, or a Baptist to marry a Lutheran, or to marry someone of another race, the comparison in each and every case has been that of the man or husband to be and the woman or wife to be.
The change you propose would result in a more complicated question for the sake of clarity.
"Are you married?" "To a man or a woman?"
Are you incapable of seeing that race has no effect on communication, while gender does, relative to this issue?

 

Are you implying there are gay persons who are opposed to same sex marriage?
My only reason for responding to this thread was in relation to the linguistic change in which it would impose upon me, noting that I have no problem at all with same sex relationships being accepted within our societies giving them the same legal and lawful recognition and protection by our governments, Federal, State, and local. How individuals within our societies wish to associate with them should be left to each individual, as long actions do not violate any laws.

 

Please explain to me why race has no effect on communication but you think gender does. When a person says he is married I have no idea if it is to a person of a different race which is unusual in this country, or if it is a person of a different gender. You keep saying how important it is that we know the gender. When you were talking to a person and he says he is married and refers to his husband you know .
When you go to a doctor or you never met do you want to change the word to Doctorette? How about a lawyeress? If they are women

 

I've explained more than once already.
Doctor and Lawyer have never implied a gender, although in the past the majority were men.

 

Surely thou dost dither much, ado over nothing....

 

Zzzzzz.....

 

False witness means he has to know the truth, and claim contrary to such. If he simply believes something false, that is not false witness.

 

If you really want to go there, then the Sabbath goes from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Originally the day ended at sundown, a practice still held by many Jews, who hold their services Friday evening.