A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

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  1. Max Rockatansky

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    Are you straight? Did you make a choice to be straight or were you just "born" that way?
     
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    Yes, like most people I was born with what developed into an overwhelming biological urge that attracts me to the opposite sex. Any other stupid questions?
     
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    Then you should understand not everyone is born as you and I were.
     
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    How are you defining "traditional" then? I can very easily make the argument of it including poly families as well, not to mention noting how blood is irrelevant since adoption is a traditional practice. And if we want to use traditional models, let's also look at the tradition of fostering one's children with other families.
     
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    And still, the mother, father and their children are together.
     
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    Ok so then poly falls under traditional.
     
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    Traditional spaghetti sauce ?
     
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    It is a moot issue. When millions of people won a polygamist marriage then it can be discussed. Till then it is just a strawman
     
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    I don’t know if I have a heterosexual gene or not. All I know is I am attracted to my husband and George Clooney. When people in my workshops say that it is a choice I told them their assignment is to choose to people of their gender home they are attracted to because after all it is a choice
     
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    the only thing different about homosexuals is that it attracts them to the same sex. Why should anybody think it's any different?
     
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    It appears we're all in agreement that sexual preference/"overwhelming biological urge" is innate and not a choice.
     
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    So if 97% of the population was born with a compelling biological desire to eat nourishing food, you would assume the 3% who instead eat sand, must have been born with a biological desire to eat sand?
    I suspect most of us are born with a biological mechanism that compels an overwhelming attraction to the opposite sex. Without this mechanism, an attraction to the same sex can develop. It does not dictate it.
     
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    Not I. You believe because you SOOOO desperately want to believe
     
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    Well for anybody who's tried to choose a different sexuality they know it's not a choice.

    I figured most people would understand that I think the only reason you have naysayers is because they don't want to be the sexuality they are which I understand that I can even sympathize. Or they don't want to believe that there are other sexualities.
     
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    what would you know about it?

    some people probably believe that because they tried to change. That would be anecdotal support of that position but there's a point where anecdotes become a statistic.
     
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    I don't think you understand the first thing about biology.


    I would agree most people are but that supports my argument not yours.

    that's possible. It also could be genetic pleiotropy could be influenced by multiple things I don't know.
     
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    The point is.... the initial marriage was extremely flawed. Efforts should be made to change the culture. The culture needs to learn once again, the marriage between a man and a woman that produces offspring should be held sacred for the raising and nurturing of that offspring. The culture needs to recognize the sacredness of that institution ad its purpose as well as the sacred responsibility that goes with it. I know....it is the hard thing to do and today our culture is so inclined toward immediate gratification, the break down all the walls that are their in societies best interest. If Mommy and Daddy can't work it out (for whatever reason) Mommy will just find another mommy or a new man or whatever to gratify her immediate needs. Actually, Mommy should be free to do that but it should be delegated to the fringes of society and least of all, not be considered marriage. Marriage is serious stuff. Those that don't understand comittment, and persevering together as one unit should just live together. That way when they tire...they can just move on. We don't call these alternate living situations "marriage". Marriage means something. It is about a man and a woman, joined together where each has a unique contribution to that union that is unique to their opposite sex. If they choose to have children, then the institution is protected by the marriage covenent and society endorses their efforts. That is the purpose of marriage. This is my belief and I am entitled to it just as the hedonistic culture we live in has influenced the way we live today.
     
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    There was a time when people objected to necrophelia. Doesn't hurt aybody. Today it is legal in Germany as long as the dead consents.
     
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    Believe what? That being straight is genetic but being gay is not?
     
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    One major problem is that sexual preference isn't fully understood. There are a lot of variables including genetics, environment and mental illness. While homosexuality has been removed from the DSM, sexual disorders has not. Let's not forget that just because something is genetic doesn't mean it's "natural", healthy, normal or should be considered "the will of God". Autism, bipolar disorder, depression and schizophrenia all have genetic links. One major problem is that the line between what is "normal" sexually and what is not can be very fuzzy.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24643831

    http://www.ifge.org/?q=dsm-5/sexual_and_gender_identity_disorders

    https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/scien...or-mental-disorders-share-genetic-roots.shtml
     
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    If being gay is genetic....it is a gene that would eventually eliminate itself. Do you think telling lies is genetic?....or other behavioral actions?
     
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    true we don't really know the source of sexual orientation. And just because it was removed from the DSM as a mental illness doesn't mean that other mental illnesses or even homosexuality aren't. The term natural seems to be open to interpretation. And the term normal tends to be a statistical nomenclature.

    When discussing behavior in the society I tend to go by what is acceptable and what is not. That's really the only way to measure it.

    I think with mental health people tend to think of it the same way they think of physical health and it doesn't really work that way. A mental illness or mental disorder ,same meaning just different terms, is a behavior or thought pattern that causes pain suffering or inability to cope with everyday life.

    They should be treated on that basis. Don't get me wrong I understand the need for terminology and benchmarks and thresholds. But we're say homosexuality could cause one person pain and suffering or inability to cope it doesn't necessarily cause everyone who is homosexual those same things.

    All we really need to focus on is in my opinion helping people see that it's not a bad thing to seek help if they need it.
     

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