A simple question

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Why is the belief held, however? How was it concluded that life is something that can indeed hold value? How was it concluded, and why has the belief not been revisited to be reexamined
     
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    so u want society to hold that individual human life has no intrinsic value, as the Nazis and Communists did?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    A person with a healthy ego believes she has intrinsic value therefore logically everyone must have intrinsic value unless that person violates ethical codes to a given degree.
     
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    indeed, all mentally healthy persons believes that their individual life holds intrinsic value. and why would just theirs? clearly everyone else's must as well, unless of course the person is a selfish hypocrite.
     
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    But why is the belief held? How was it determined?
     
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    do you believe that YOUR life has value?
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    It does not. Neither to myself, nor to anyone that is actually known by myself.
     
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    sorry to hear that.

    believe it or not, I believe that your life has value.

    Im sorry you disagree. Please seek help.

    :(
     
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    Why have a healthy ego? Why value your self worth? An advantage in our evolutionary journey. Wouldn't you say?
    A tribe with little self worth would not stand a chance against a tribe who thought they were the chosen and they gain the evolutionary advantage.
     
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    Such is not known. What constitutes a healthy ego? When does a healthy ego transform into being egotistical and narcissistic? When does a healthy ego become a superiority complex and put others at risk from believing their own perceived hype?

    However a tribe that possesses a sense of self worth can still be brought down by the smallest of means, such as exposure to a mere disease for which they have neither immunity, nor effective treatment. Does the bacteria, virus, or parasite ultimately possess a greater sense of self worth? Or is it merely pursuing the propagation of its species in an entirely automatic fashion with no conscious thought?
     
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    Surely you did not think any of that through.
    A person with a healthy ego has a sense of self worth and is positively socialized. You are describing unhealthy mental states and any tribe can fall to disease and self worth has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Even if such is the case, how does it address the question at the beginning of the topic? Why is it that in the united states, a private individual is devoid of the right to end their own existence?
     
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    you believe human life has no value.

    you have stated that YOUR life has no value.

    well, dont expect us to respect any of your so-called rights or concerns
     
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    Meaning the question being presented cannot actually be answered by yourself.
     
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    people who claim their own life has no value, nevermind the lives of other people including children, have no business demanding others respect their gun rights or any other rights.
     
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    Thus demonstrating on the part of yourself, the belief that the lives of certain individuals hold inferior degrees of importance or value than the lives of other individuals.
     
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    LOL!!!

    such hypocrisy.

    you have clearly and repeatedly stated that human life, including YOUR life, has no meaning or intrinsic value.

    why the **** should i or anyone else respect your needs or desires, or claims of rights...when you make such statements.

    you have dug your hole. enjoy.
     
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    It is merely a recognition of existing precedent. The united state federal government itself has already gone on record as stating that to it, an individual human life holds a value of less than one dollar. Why should any particular individual truly feel otherwise on the matter?
     
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    fine.

    you feel human life has no value and no meaning, especially yours.

    dont expect anyone to respect you or any of your claims to rights or privileges.
     
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    Then others are free to participate in the discussion, and perhaps they will be able to provide the answers that are being sought.

    To refresh the memories of others who wish to take part in the discussion: Can anyone present explain why, in the united states, where rights held by the people are supposedly subject to greater value and protection than they are by other nations, there is no constitutionally recognized right for on to die as they see fit?

    When an individual wishes to end their own existence, why does society see fit to deny the individual in question that choice, and force them to continue living when they have no desire for such?

    The united states federal government has already gone on record as stating that the life of an individual, any individual, holds a value of less than a dollar. This statement was made when the government decided to allow the sale of tobacco products, despite the fact such products do nothing but kill and cause cancer in a widespread fashion. Despite this, all the government does is apply a tax on the sale of each product. Essentially holding that the life of an individual holds less value than the tobacco tax it collects.

    In truth the value of a human life is far less than even one dollar, as the federal tax on alcohol is twenty one cents per ounce. From this it is possible to conclude that as far as the united states federal government is concerned, a human life is only worth twenty cents at the most, and it has demonstrated a willingness to use deadly force in response to not getting its twenty one cents per ounce of alcohol sold.

    All of these taxes ultimately add up to the simple fact that the value of a human life is exceedingly low as far as the federal government is concerned. So why is there no right for the individual to commit suicide and end their own existence, when their own existence is not even valued at the worth even one quarter?
     
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    How do you know.
     
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    this thread is a great fuel to the concept that gun rights should require some mental health requirements.
     
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    Which merely goes to reinforce points raised previously in other discussions. If an individual cannot freely end their own existence when they see fit, simply because the government dictates that they must continue existing because it says so, then individuals are not actually free and do not actually have any rights. Instead they are nothing more than the property of the government, as it has seen fit to claim authority and ownership over their life and thus their very existence. It is nothing more than slavery in its truest form.
     
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    if human life has no value, as you claim, then claims of human rights is also null & void.

    humans only have natural freedoms and liberties if their lives have value.
     
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    Is not such a statement, an open admission that individuals are indeed slaves of the government?
     

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