A solution for the homosexual hating florists

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    You walk in with your fiancée holding hands and talking about 'our' wedding and the centerpiece. They do not announce " I won't serve you'. They hem and haw and come up with lots of excuses that will not be a problem with a man and woman holding hands and talking about 'their' wedding.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    LOL, Oops typo!!!! the 's' is missing! thanks!
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    First, if it's just a wedding they won't do, but will sell flowers to gay people, than they just object to a ceremony and not gay people. Thay isn't really am issue.
    Second businesses are in business to make money, not extole some vitue on the world. So I doubt many florists would refuse to do a wedding.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I scratched my head for a moment and figured it out. I do it too. ;)
     
  5. btthegreat

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    To the OP. I think subcontracting the cake or the florist is a fine solution. All you really need, though, is one hired employee who does not mind doing them and a requirement that customers give say 72 hour notice for all wedding floral arrangements or cakes that that there is sufficient time. Not every employee needs to be willing unless it is an expectation that you as an employer sets.
     
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    if they don't like the ceremony, I encourage them not to attend one or marry someone of the same sex. I prefer that all businesses obey all laws as an expectation of doing business,ncluding obeying civil rights statutes as written and enforced. If you cannot obey all the federal, state and municipal statutes, you should not put out your shingle or sell your business to someone who can run a business and obey the laws.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Progressive based hatred, lol. I'll continue to point out events that have ocvoured and why law has been made to prevent those events, you can continue to deny and argue it "isn't a real problem" because you don't believe it will effect you.

    There are sections of the country, especially rural ones, where blacks, gays, Muslims, asians, trans people and so on would be unable to receive services. I can already hear the outrage of a Christian being denied services - especially governmental services which your ilk is usually also an advocate for.
     
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    "Hi, I'm Steve and this is my fiancee Terry, and we are planning our wedding and wanted to see if you could help us." would be my guess. Weddings tend to be a little more involved than ordering a basket of flowers for Grandma through the internet
     
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    How hard can it be to find a gay florist? Seriously.
     
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    And every KFC can find a black cook to fry the chicken too!
     
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    Its not about projecting, your posts were actually hysterical. Claiming that arguing that someone should be allowed to practice their religion as the Constitution specifically cites will somehow lead to the waterman shutting off your water is hysterical. And equating practicing religion to retribution shows a deep misunderstanding of the issue. You exaggerate grossly because that's all you can do.
     
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    Tell me these sections of the country where blacks cannot receive services. Do the same with Asians, then with "trans" people. Be specific, don't just make some vague claim that its "rural America".
     
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    It's currently illegal to do so, so no where. You are the one advocating that these laws be removed.
    These laws came about because of actual events, not hysterics

    Are you really saying that in all areas of the country no one would have trouble receiving services if it was completely legal to openly deny services. Have some integrity. I'm white and while I have been denied service in liberal Hispanic run California - so it still happens.
     
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    So a person can't object to serving a ceremony they don't wish to?

    It's a violation of law to object to catering a certain type of ceremony.
     
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    My posts weren't they were mocking you for cowering away from argument.

    Well why can't the water company refuse customers it doesn't like? Why don't they get the right to practice their religion
    I didn't. I poked fun at you because you wouldn't address the argument.
     
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    that will depend on how the state statute is written and interpreted in a particular state, and whether your activity is covered as a business or commercial enterprise. you don't serve 'the ceremony'. You serve customers a product who are organizing a ceremony for that ceremony. Lots of people can object to catering certain types of ceremonies, and lots of people decide not to sell to black people or employ jews as well. Many just don't put out a shingle suggesting they are open to the public, and content themselves selling at a garage sell, or only employ a housekeeper for their home. Maybe such florists should be content to make arrangements for charity and do something else for a living if its a problem in their state. I have no problem with people who choose not to operate a business because they don't like the rules. I respect that choice.
     
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    What? The water company? They have a monopoly.....that's why
     
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    I don't think any federal laws grant civil rights to a ceremony.

    We aren't talking about denial of service to a group of people. Just the opt out of a particular ceremony.
     
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    Read the post I was responding to, you didn't understand the context.
     
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    I get your distinction. I got it three years ago too. I beleive some folks in a position to levy fines and such, who read and interpret the language in specific statutes, and regulations and court decisions in some jurisdiction have had some problems with that 'opt out of a ceremony' line. You convince them, you've convinced me.
     
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    Then why bring up civil rights?
    Why do I have to convince you, that's what they did. They served birthday cakes to gay people, if they prohibited gay people they wouldn't have. I shouldn't have to convince you or anybody of the facts.
     
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    It's not facts you have to convince me about. It is that the interpretation of the civil rights laws and city ordinances as written is so narrow as to preclude a state or municipal administrative agency from citing a business for refusing to bake a same sex cake or refusing to make a floral arrangement for a same sex ceremony. There is a lot of them out there. Of course you don't have to convince me of anything, but the answers to the questions you posed to me in post 42? are dependent on the convincing on the law.
     
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    There is nothing else.
    No, you have to show me in the civil rights law where it protects all ceremonies.
    You have your work cut out for you.
    Again show me civil rights that protect all ceremonies.

    If it only protects some of them that
    Most certainly is systematic discrimination.
     
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    LOL, so your complaint amounts to nothing.
     

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