A step towards becoming a banana republic.

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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    You can sing that song all day long, and lord knows I've heard the same thing said ever since he beat Hillary. The only problem is that a steady diet of nothingburgers gets boring after awhile.
     
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    We've had how many debates now where we got to see the Dems talk about what they want to do to make the US a better place. I don't recall much about helping the economy. I did hear about taking guns and giving handouts. I do hear that Yang has some ideas that are interesting and challenged. If you gave the poor $12K a year, they would buy stuff. Potentially a good idea.
     
  3. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with one exception. While dirt digging is the norm, I do not think that any American President should use the most powerful Office in the world to dig up dirt on a political opponent that they may be running against in the next election. It is one thing for the RNC to do some dirt digging, but the Office of the President should have no hand in it.
     
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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-s...-meet-the-press-i-do-not-trust-the-fbi-or-cia
     
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    therooster Banned

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    What are dems so afraid of ?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-s...-meet-the-press-i-do-not-trust-the-fbi-or-cia

    Watch chuck todd.. he wants no parts of it ..
     
  6. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Yet the left has voted on many pieces of legislation since they took the House... something Fox News does not like to advertise. The news media (I include the left and the right) are the ones setting the narrative as the mud slinging is better for viewership than dry subjects such as prescription drug prices and the vaping epidemic. To add insult to injury the leader of the Senate blocks some bipartisan bills that have much public support then places all blame on the left.

    I see the right as the larger problem as they hold the overwhelming amount of power yet place all blame on the left. This was even worse when the Republicans held the House for the first two years, the two branches of government needed to pass bills, yet because of division in the Republican Party they failed to pass Trump’s signature piece of legislation, funding for the wall... then they place all blame on the left.

    Where we may agree upon is that the left is on a witch hunt, but where we may part ways is that the right is on a witch hunt of their own. When it is those we like under investigation we cry “Witch hunt!” yet when those we do not like are under investigation we call it “an objective investigation into possible criminal conduct.” This hypocrisy is practiced by both sides. It does not matter to me which side is guilty of the greater crimes and hypocrisy as in a race to the bottom 2nd place is nothing to brag about.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    The Dems are afraid of the same thing the Reps are afraid of. Dug up dirt that sticks and changes public perception to the negative. The powerful are only as powerful as the support they have in the masses. They know that as public support wanes so does the power and influence of the powerful person. To admit a negative about those we like acts to weaken the support for them thus the power of the politician is also reduced. This is why most Trump supporters would rather gnaw off their own arm than publicly admonish Trump just as the left would rather gnaw off their own arm than to publicly admonish a popular liberal politician.

    Both sides are rotten to the core with bias.
     
  8. Gateman_Wen

    Gateman_Wen Well-Known Member

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    AG Barr is nothing but a tRumpling. He will do whatever tRump tells him to do with no regard for annoying stuff like facts or truth.
     
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    Well to me it seems like trump is the most transparent president ever.
     
  10. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm confused. Are you referring to Obama's use of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and intelligence groups to infiltrate, spy on, set up, wire and email tap and eaves drop, get illegal FISA warrants, pass around and expose supposedly secret surveillance data on US citizens all for the purpose of securing the election of a favored candidate, or are you referring to a congratulatory call Trump made to another country's president.
     
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    Yeah, that Joe Biden is a hoot.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How are you picturing this: Trump out with a magnifying glass looking for clues?

    There is zero problem with the POTUS calling a foreign country to discuss wanting to get to the bottom of something.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So far all the Democrats have done investigating Trump is make him gain support.

    Please keep it up.
     
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    That's it, hide behind a brave face.

    Give it a shot, lets see who ends up embarrassed.
     
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    If you need to conduct an investigation to know someone committed a crime, then you don't actually "know" that person committed a crime. Do you honestly think that investigations come after we know a crime has been committed? :roflol::roflol:

    But don't take my word for it. I'm only a licensed attorney. I'm sure you know exactly what you're talking about...
     
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    You mean like when we have DNA evidence/eye witnesses and the person accused still gets investigated and a trial?

    "Licensed attorney" :roll:

    This was good : Do you honestly think that investigations come after we know a crime has been committed?

    Answer: Duh.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do understand that DNA and witness statements are obtained DURING an investigation, right? And a trial is completely separate from an investigation.
    What are your credentials?
    Obviously you don't understand the meaning of the word "know." There is a reason that people are called "suspects" while an investigation is pending.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well the simple answer that is knowing that they committed a crime and proving they committed a crime are two separate things.

    If two police officers and 3 detectives and the police chief are standing outside when a guy walks up and shoots someone, they "know" he is guilty.

    Still has to be investigated though, doesn't it. Why yes, yes it does.

    Then not only does it have to be investigated, it has to be proven in a court of law.

    You'd think I wouldn't have to explain this based on your claimed credentials.
     
  19. robini123

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    Of course, because you support him. Tribalism makes us all predictable in that when we form a positive association with a person or group we also form a positive bias. This bias makes it easy to believe the positives with little to no critical review and difficult to impossible to see the negatives. A frustrating thing about bias is that from the perspective of the individual, we perceive our bias as objectivity. This is because in the moment our bias is indistinguishable from objectivity. This applies to all humans even though most will see themselves as the exception to the rule. Humans, we are an arrogant and ignorant lot, self included.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Pointing out the wrongs of the democrats does not justify the wrongs of Trump. If what the left did was wrong then what Trump did is also wrong. To justify one while taking a stand against the other would be hypocrisy.
     
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    Whether it is legal or not has yet to be adjudicated. If it is not illegal, it should be.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet there was no investigation conducted over the phone call.

    He says pretty clearly in the transcript that the AG will be following up, does he not?
     
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    Why should it be illegal for the President to ask someone to work with his DOJ in getting to the bottom of potential corruption? Or are you saying ti simply should be illegal to investigate the allegations of potential corrption in Dem Admins?
     
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    Yet a request for an investigation was discussed in the phone call. I have no problem with the AG doing the investigation, but a sitting President should not be involved in any way when it involves a political rival. We stand upon different ethical ground my friend.
     
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    Because the investigation involves a political rival that the President may be running against come 2020. I could care less if the Republicans want to investigate the Democrats, have at it says I, but a sitting President should have no part in investigating a political rival. It is unethical no matter if it is Trump or a Democrat President.
     

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