A step towards becoming a banana republic.

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You realize that anytime there is a high profile investigation in a foreign country that requires the AG to get involved, the POTUS is probably going to make some introductory calls, right?

    How is the POTUS "investigating" by making a phone call?
     
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    The president is the head of the executive branch...it is his job to enforce the laws.

    The fact Biden is running for your nomination isn’t relevant
     
  3. robini123

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    Asking for an investigation is to play a part in said investigation. No President should have any part in investigating a political rival. Trump’s personal attorney is also involved which is problematic to me. Said investigation should be done by the DOJ and does not require an American President be involved. Anything above zero involvement of an American President in terms of investigating a political rival is too much involvement to me. As for Trump’s level of involvement, we do not yet know. Perhaps it was just that call, perhaps it was more than that. Time will tell.
     
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    That has yet to be adjudicated.
     
  5. struth

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    What is?
     
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    As evidenced by the number of subpoenas for documents and testimony that his administration is refusing to respect?

    As evidenced by his appeals of judgements against him in our courts in cases related to obtaining information to oversight committees?

    His refusal to release the full Muller report even to congress?

    His refusal to release transcripts of the calls to the Ukranian president where it was made clear that they would not get military aid allocated by Congress unless they investigated Biden?

    What is transparent about Trump is his total refusal to abide by the very foundations of what makes our form of government actually work.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you think the US AG gets involved in a foreign country?
     
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    It pains me to inform you that nothing taking place in Washington DC right now is unplanned or unscripted. You are being prepared, seasoned, inoculated, desensitized for something greater and more dictatorial to emerge in government. You are being probed for just how much you can take without revolution as your response. You are being stretched, remade, elasticized, de-balled and de-spined, so that you don't even think twice about challenging the authority of your master in the future. You are being encoded, programmed and drafted into a normalized vacuum of moral outrage. You are being tested for a purpose.

    There is no way in hell that any President of this country (Left or Right) would or should be allowed to get this rogue without removal from office through impeachment. Ergo, if it is happening (and it is happening right under your nose), then it happens because it is being allowed to happen and for no other reason. Fattening up the hog before the slaughter. If you (The People) will tolerate this now, then you will tolerate more than this later as you will be fully accustomed to doing by then. Only then, what you tolerate will be Totalitarian to the core. But, you won't give a flying rats azz because you will have already been 'adapted' (molded and shaped) to that purpose and for that reason.

    There is no actual "Left" and "Right" ideology in Washington? That's a stage play being orchestrated for the masses to keep them divided and perpetually believing in a lie. Those on the Right in Washington are no different than those on the Left in Washington, with the inverse being the same. The Left and Right differentials are being maintained in your mind only. Its all about Economic Enslavement - yours. It is about propping up a system that thrives on Debt, with you and your unborn children as the Biggest Looser and thus the Biggest Debtor - Corporate chattel property. Nothing more and nothing less.

    The rest is smoke, mirrors and tons of window dressing to foster your continued "faith" in the system that enslaves you without you knowing it. It ain't a pretty picture, but it is the truth of History like it or not. I will assume that most won't like it - or even understand it well enough to have and educated opinion about it. However, that won't change the current paradigm. The paradigm of empty suit and Trillions in debt the masses can never afford to settle.

    Trump, is not the problem. I've been saying that since before he got elected on this board and I was the first to predict that his presidency would be assailed in the media to the point of impeachment before the end of his first term. I was also the one who told you back then that none of that would be the real story - that the real story would be the process continuing the False Flag from 2001 through 2016 - that there was in fact a much bigger story behind Trump. All before he got elected, I warned you of this.

    Stay tuned! You ain't seen nothing, yet.
     
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    Whether or not it is legal for a sitting President to ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I do not know nor do I recognize you as an authority on the issue thus I wait for the case to be adjudicated by the proper authorities. Before you ask who the proper authorities are, I do not know as an am not a legal expert on federal law and hear contradicting narratives from both sides. For this reason I make to claim as to the legality or illegally of the question at hand.
     
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    Sure it can be. Political rivals of the president aren’t above the law
     
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    "it would a violation of the oath of office to turn a blind eye to corruption just because the felon is running for President."

    Please tell us all what felony has Biden been convicted off? It's important to know, since a felon can't run for President.
     
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    Has nothing to do with political rivals being above the law or not. The DOJ is fully capable of investigating politicians. The President asking a foreign leader to investigate a political rival is unnecessary. Presidents should never have any part in investigating a political rival.
     
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    The DOJ works for the president...but they don’t have jurisdiction in a foreign country to look into what happened there.
     
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    Yeah well, a little late to get angry about that. You had your chance when Obama was using the IRS to target tea party groups.

    You didn't, and nobody else on the left did either, so suck it up and take revenge like a man. Hell, you're lucky I'm not the President, or most politicians and probably all democrats would be rotting in Leavenworth right now.
     
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    Get the State Department involved, the CIA, the NSA. While the DOJ does not have jurisdiction, they do have a long history of working with other governments to investigate crimes.
     
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    Yes and that’s why the president asked th ukrianians to work with them to root out corruption
     
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    An argument best leveled at a Democrat or an Obama supporter, of which I am neither.
     
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    If that's the case, then this is just some fight that you can watch from the sidelines.

    If it's the legal aspect, then it's perfectly legal.
     
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    Republicans and Democrats individually are the minority in America and would do well to remember that. It is the majority, which are independents like me who will decide who the next president is and whether the Democrats will maintain the House and if the Republicans will hold the Senate. Trump’s base is too small to alone carry him to a 2nd term. Same goes for the Democrats in their bid for the Oval Office.
     
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    The AG cannot investigate in Ukraine. You should know what. Besides, the AG works for the President and not the other way around.
     
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    Yet the democrats insane message is not resonating with the majority independents so there is that.
     
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    Sorry, but you're not blowing any air up my skirts. I've known far too many lefties who claim up and down that they're as apolitical as a potato, but they always seem to side with democrats.

    I'm an independent too, since I'm not a card carrying member of any political party. This doesn't mean much really.
     
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    A truly independent voter is going to have to look at Warren's blatant fake socialism, or Trump's pseudo capitalism and will have to run with which side they truly lean. The strange thing about this upcoming general election is that there can be no fence sitters. You can have fake conservatives like Shapiro talking about how they won't vote for anybody, but that just takes him out of the picture. He's as irrelevant as a corpse.

    In 2016, we had the devil we knew, and the guy who is probably a devil. We went with the guy who is probably the devil, and has turned out to be not nearly as bad as the left painted him as. That is working against them, but they have no choice to keep upping the ante. Now he's Hitler and the devil!
     
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    It is illogical by my measure of logic to judge me by others. I both attack and defend both Republicans and Democrats. Those who only attack one side or the other are the ones whose bias far exceeds myown.
     

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