A tale of two "rapists"

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  1. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One woman, JB, accused Clinton of raping her. She later refused to testify to that under oath, and went away after taking a large cash settlement.

    Two women have accused Donald Trump of raping them. One, ex-wife Ivana, recanted after taking a large cash settlement. Another case is ongoing, from a woman who said Trump raped her when she was 13.

    Now me, I believe it's totally out of line to call either man a rapist, given the weakness of the cases against them.

    Trump fans, however, see the world differently. Every single Trump fan I've encountered declares Bill Clinton is a rapist, but then goes into a screaming meltdown when I point out how those same standards define Donald trump to be a rapist. After all, the evidence against Trump is just as bad or worse than the evidence against Bill Clinton.

    So, are any Trump fans willing to say it's not okay to call either man a rapist?

    Barring that, do any Trump fans want to attempt to justify their double standard?

    I wouldn't have gone here, except now even Trump himself has jumped into the "Hillary is enabling a rapist" game. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. I'll let Trump and his fans set the rules that I play by, and I'll apply those same rules to both candidates. If Trump fans want to keep screaming Bill Clinton is a rapist, I'll keep pointing out how those same standards define Donald Trump as a rapist. Hopefully, Trump fans will be shamed into acting decently, and that won't be necessary.
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While both men have a long history of infidelities, which amazes me that Trump bungs it up as a criticism, I don't think either one raped anyone.

    I think they are powerful men who attract women with their power. Obviously both have struggled with keeping their penis within their pants. But forcibly raping someone? That is a long way, in my opinion, from a serial philanderer.
     
  3. Hummingbird

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    "given the WEAKNESS of the case against .....BILL CLINTON..."?

    There's a long list of women who had come forward saying that he had groped and/or raped them.

    What's the story about the woman who said Trump raped her when she was 13?
     
  4. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it's such a long list, you'll have no trouble listing those women. I've already mentioned JB. Who are the rest?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-sex-parties.html

    I'll agree it's a rather dubious allegation. That is, like the allegations against Bill Clinton.
     
  5. little voice

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    Bill Clinton is not running for president
     
  6. Zorro

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    a lawsuit claiming Trump raped a 13-year-old girl appears to be a hoax.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...frey-Epstein-s-sex-parties.html#ixzz48D1k9hSB

    - Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;

    - In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;

    - In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;

    - Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;

    - From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;

    - Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."

    - Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

    - Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

    - Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

    - Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.

    - Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

    http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm

    Hillary says that when it comes to rape and sexual assault, women have a right to be believed.
     
  7. Steve N

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    Yeah, that's the first I've heard of that one. Maybe Mamooth is thinking of Roman Polanski.
     
  8. Vegas giants

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    The more you know

    The first major scandal to hit the Trump campaign besides the typical “what a racist, such a sexist, yada yada yada,” came from a lawsuit stemming from the infamous sex parties held by billionaire and known pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. The woman named in the suit is Katie Johnson, who says Trump took her virginity in 1994 when she was only 13 and being held by Epstein as a slave.
     
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    Trump finds the clintons behavior so disgusting....that's why he invited them to his wedding and called Hillary the best SOS in history
     
  10. Moi621

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    Remember Straus - Kahn

    The prosecution's case fell apart

    but, Straus - Kahn's life was ruined anyways.

    Even before any trial.


    So I ain't gonna pay no heed to any rape chat
    about any candidate until after the election.
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    Moi :oldman:


    r > g




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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
  11. Steve N

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    Well with Trump's ego he probably did it to prop up the Who's Who list of the A-listers who attended his wedding. The bigger question is how much did Hillary charge him to attend?
     
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    A list rapists? Interesting priorities. How many rapists did you invite to your wedding?
     
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    There is also a long list with Bill Cosby of accusations about raping, fondling, sexual exploitation of women when he was on set. And there are African American people who are defending him emphatically including Bill Cosby's wife.

    That being said, the issue here is hypocrisy. Trump calls Hillary an enabler. The question is, was Ivana an enabler when Donald had an affair with Marla Maples at a time when Trump was still married with Ivana. Rumors has it that Trump has had affairs while being married to Melina Trump.

    So, is this really something that should be pointed out to Trump and the followers as hypocritical?
     
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    Some of those admitted, in legal documents, that the sex was consensual. Some have accused Bill Clinton, but never tried or convicted of sexual assault. It is possible, but not proven.

    It is known that Donald Trump had an affair with at least one person, named Marla Maples, while Trump was still married. This means Trump is just as dirty as Bill, all things considered.
     
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    Sure. All these women are liars and the Clinton's always tell the truth!
    Oh dear gawd! You are equating consensual sex to rape and sexual assault? The lengths some folks will go to, to defend the Clinton's. The pretzels they will tie them themselves into to deny the obvious. You are much too loyal and the Clintons do not deserve you and by their behaviour they do not honor your support.

    Further, neither Donald J Trump, nor any of the women he has slept with, have ever had sex with Yoko Ono.
     
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    Convicted or merely accused? Just kidding.

    To tell you the truth, I didn't know everyone who attended my wedding, but what I can tell you is that many of them had records, some which had been recent, some decades old. My first wedding was in NJ and many of my family's friends were mafia types. I would imagine the combined total of years some of those people spent in jail was over 100.
     
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    Dude...anyone can claim anything.

    Where's the proof?

    Oh there isn't any?

    Just innuendo and accusation?

    That's all you need though...right?

    By the way...Trump was cheating on his first wife with the woman who became his second.

    That doesn't seem to bother you at all.
     
  18. Lesh

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    A. Both Bill Clinton and Trump have had numerous accusations hurled at them. Both are adulterers.

    B. Bill Clinton isn't running for President.

    C. Hillary Clinton who IS running for President has never been accused of rape or even adultery.

    This is Trump and his disgusting supporters throwing feces like the crazed monkeys they are
     
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    Jeffrey Epstein? You mean the pedophile pal of Bill Clinton, who's flown to Epstein's island several times where the pervert lives and is known to have underage girls living w/him?.....interesting.
     
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    No, it does not. I couldn't care less about someone's marital problems and who's cheating on who, particularly those I don't even KNOW....and how many DECADES ago was Trump cheating on wife #1? Was he an elected official then?

    And YES, I do pay attention to someone voted into office, living in the WH at the taxpayers expense and more and more women are coming forward exposing him to be a sex predator......and NO, I do NOT care what letter comes after his name. He is what he is.....a sex predator and that's exactly what Bill Clinton is......
     
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    Have you ever noticed how Bill Clinton's apologists would have you believe that Eileen Wellstone, Juanita Broaddrick, Carolyn Moffet, Paula Corbin Jones, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Sandra Allen James, Christy Zercher, Katheleen Willey, Monica Lewinski, Bobbie Williams, Gennifer Flowers and all the others are lying....while he alone is telling the truth?
     
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    Wait...so Trump's sexual history is of no interest to you...but that of Bill Clinton (who is NOT running for President) is?

    Oh the hypocrisy.

    And you're not even embarrassed about it LOL. But then it's all you have
     
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    I heard he raped the shooter on the grassy knoll too. Has to be true. I read it on the internet
     
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    Resorting to ridiculous sarcasm doesn't make the statement about Bill Clinton any less true. You need only to research the names yourself to receive that much needed education about the issue.
     
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    There's no reason to laugh or remain ignorant....Clinton is a serial sexual offender and Trump isn't. That's the true comparison.
     

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