A United Kingdom

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    What's so useful about claiming benefits?
    What's so helpful about appeasing theft to justify charity?
    Why have a right to what is mine saying it is ours?
     
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    As a supporter of American capitalism, you believe, naturally that what's yours is yours and what belongs to everyone else is yours too, and you have storm-troopers to prove it. Praising theft to justify totally inadequate charity is, of course, what you do. Socialists detest charity. People in a decent country claim benefits when they need them and contribute to them when they don't. It must be dreadful to be as totally brainwashed and rant as much as you do!
     
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    Not much point you defending benefits claimants in this country mate.
    The job market is buoyant.

    We have imported about 5 million working class because our own working class prefers to be in "in university".
    Not only do benefits claimants not pay in, but indeed, the bulk of the country doesn't pay in more than they take out.
    If you do, you are one of the rare ones.

    One of the ones who isn't accepting "charity", only it isn't charity, it's theft.

    Yes if you have paid in, you are allowed to claim on your unemployment insurance.
    Unfortunately if you have not paid in, you are allowed to claim on mine.

    Comedy Mail stories of nurses in food banks, ensue.

    Best paid people in the country in a high demand profession.... claiming charity.
    And so what we have is a culture of the "deserving poor". We are stolen from, to benefit the "deserving poor".
    But who decided which poor are deserving and which are not?

    The Labour party?
    Who aren't poor at all it turns but, but all stinking rich.
    And they pay themselves very well for this charity work, but they contribute nothing towards it themselves.
    Not one bean.

    The money they steal comes from rich and poor alike.
    And contrary to their propaganda, the more they steal from me, the poorer I get.
    Who would have thought it.
     
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    If you don't work and have mouths to feed, you're a charity case.
     
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    American capitalism is fair.
    In America, 5 year old girls don't get fined and shut down by the council for running lemonade stands.
    Britain could use less red tape and more free enterprise.
     
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    Plenty of those who do work are charity cases also.

    There are a lot of commercially non viable jobs in the economy. Jobs for jobs sake.
    Parking Warden for example. Health and safety inspector.
    Tax collector. But equally, surplus steel industry manufacturers and so on.
    About 50% of the state sector can go on the dole and the government deficit disappears the same day.
    And nothing at all will change except life will get easier and better for all the rest of us.

    So if you want to give the poor charity, just quit your job please.
    If you want to make an unemployed person employed... quit your job please. Let someone else have it.

    If you cry for the woes of the poor, the chances are, you aren't poor at all. You are on the take.
     
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    Must be odd to believe everything your masters tell you. Heil Murdoch!
     
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    I don't claim. I have no master.

    I live in a free country and your pathetic attempts to bribe me with my own money, fail each time.
    You rule yourself only. Not us. Not that this will stop you from trying.
     
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    You think you're a master, eh? It was the same in Germany in the late 'thirties. I never try to bribe thieves - I want them safe in jug, where they belong. Upi ;live in a drunken dream, slave.
     
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    I thought Thatcher closed the mines.

    You know, good riddance to bad economics.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Farms get subsidies when crops fail and they become uneconomic.
    Banks get bailed out.
    If jobs are on the line and you can save them through intervention, why not?

    Saving the miners was a reasonable enough goal until they went power mad. It wasn't solely an economic decision.
    There were strong spectres of the Soviet revolution in that one. So the economics were good, but also the social element was there.


    @ Ned, I am a master of myself.
    But I am also a school master. And have achieved mastery of a few things in life.

    I don't not seek to be your master. I wish not to be.

    If I am presented with a binary choice however, rule or be ruled. I will rule.
    And you won't like that rule. So best not to prevaricate.

    Live and let live.
    I am no business of yours. You are no business of mine.
    Better for both of us that way.
     
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    So what sells?

    Auto makers in Germany get fined for cheating emissions and probably for building in third world countries pretty soon.
    What can Britain cut if farming and banking isn't paying anymore?
    I'd hate to lose trading, but banks fail and get bailed out.
    Farms fail and get subsidised.
    Jobs for jobs sake.

    what sells in Britain?
    Tourism sells.
    Military tech sells.
     
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    Music and TV and books sell. The arts.
    Education sells.
    Video games sell.
    Asthma drugs and the like.

    Also aeroplane stuff. Car technology. All Formula 1 is here.

    Arm chips. Dyson hoovers. Bridges and dams. Our designs sell.
    We sell clothes and bags. No end of Booze. Tobacco sells.
    We sell loans. No end of loans.
    Stocks and shares sell well.

    JCB sells well. Massey Ferguson too.
    Also cars and white vans. motor bikes and boats. Helicopters.
    Chemicals we are good at. So that's paint and fertilizers etc.

    Natural resources.
    Steel we sell a lot of steal.
    Gas and petrol and plastics.
     
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    Why don't we sell the wind, the rain?
    Why don't we sell a plot of some a rocky coastline for hydroelectricity and sell electricity to the EU like Ireland or even France or the NL & Belgium etc etc..
    Do the same for South End on Sea, in Essex. - Why not invest into the waters where we dare not swim or touch and start having wind power and hydro electric power plants and, building wind propelled and water propelled turbines?

    Why can't Britain sell its wind and rain?
     
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    Build a massive sea wall, drain part of the North Sea...look for curvature of Earth, build turbines in this wall, wire it up, slap a British flag on it, let the sea flood back in, allow the current and the planet to generate this motion to power the turbines.
    It does mean draining part of the sea though.


    What about if we tried this first in the Solent?

    Mega structure submerged dams.
     
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    I like your sea wall idea. Good one.
    If we could design this on a much smaller scale however. For individual use by coast huggers.

    We do sell rain. Rain is owned by the water board. You pay for it.
    Even if you house has no plumbing or sewerage, you still owe them for the rain that runs off your property.

    We also do try and sell wind energy, but it isn't cheap, and doesn't generate enough electricity to overcome the resistance of long wires. So it needs to be local to the point of use.
    There are not many places where water flows fast enough to drive a turbine. Also Hydro massacres the environment, submerges villages for example when you build a dam. And most importantly of all it's dam expensive.
    The most expensive electricity generation of them all.

    So Hydro isn't an option everywhere, nor is tidal, but it is also far more expensive than a gas turbine or a coal turbine.
    It's even notably more expensive than nuclear and wind and solar.

    So we don't sell a lot of it, because it isn't profitable or the best solution on the market today.
     
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    The US hasn't asked for Britian's help and Britain is being urged to (not sure by who) to play http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/840419/Britain-North-Korea-Kim-Jong-un-Trump-US-honest-broker
    'honest broker'...

    I'd give you honest.

    Does UK launder any finance in North Korea?
    Because that's how they're getting away with it.
    Taking money from other countries to launder it and do this global black market service that economies depend on, and they're getting armed to the teeth for it.
     

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